Optics - Holo or Red Dot?

Swifty · June 30th, 2013, 09:18

I currently own a Red Dot and am extremely happy with it. One of my friends purchased a Holo scope yesterday (which I haven't had an opportunity to use in a game yet). As cool as the thing looked, I could see my upside down reflection in it.

#1 - Is this reflection a nuisance when playing in glare-y conditions?
#2 - what are the benefits of a Holo scope over a red dot?
#3 - What are the benefits of a red dot scope over a Holo scope?

Likely simple answers, but I'm sure people will have their opinions on this matter! :fro:

AngelusNex · June 30th, 2013, 09:25

With airsoft "holo" sights, there is no upside to using them aside from they look cool. Real ones have benefits over say aimpoint type reddot sights but they are expensive.
I've seen some where it looks like mirror at some angles, rendering them useless.

In airsoft "holo"sights are just shitty compressed reddot sights. Thus, regular reddots are better as they are setup in the layout the system requires to function properly.

R.I.T.Z · June 30th, 2013, 09:37

the "Holo sights" in airsoft, are actually red dots in a different shell.

unless you go real steel there is no difference aside from looks.

solidgear34 · July 5th, 2013, 00:00

Hurrican holosights, one of the only replicas that will work in bright daylight, eeyup...

akira69 · July 5th, 2013, 01:19

i have a knockoff eotech 552 and i dont find it too terrible in daylight

Spike · July 7th, 2013, 21:31

Unless you go RS, red dot all the way.

Spadona · July 8th, 2013, 17:33

I personally like red dot a lot better than holo because it's easier for me to acquire a target (with my scope, at least).
I run a Tasco "wide-view" red dot, and that thing is pretty big. In terms of total lens area, I'd say it's 1.5-2x larger than an eotech or holo.

Magnaroth · July 10th, 2013, 12:05

Holo sights are also significantly heavier than most red dot sights. It may not be a lot when you're holding it in your palm, but when its on your gun, and the gun starts getting into the 10lb+ range, it becomes an issue.

ShelledPants · July 10th, 2013, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnaroth

Holo sights are also significantly heavier than most red dot sights. It may not be a lot when you're holding it in your palm, but when its on your gun, and the gun starts getting into the 10lb+ range, it becomes an issue.

Bah:

Eotech 552 - 309g

Eotech XPS3 - 227g

Aimpoint T1 w/ Mount - 105g

Aimpoint PRO w/ Mount - 329g

CMORE Rail - 142g

While you're not wrong, the weight difference is minuscule, and you'll pay for the weight reduction (T1 vs PRO, XPS3 vs 552), and the CMORE is a competition sight, I just included it for a reference vs mil gear.

Go with what you're comfortable with. I went with a PRO as the ARD is $50 and already saved my lens twice, it also has NV modes, and 2 year battery life while on position 6 (leave it on optic).

SuperHog · July 10th, 2013, 15:26

Red dots if you want to really use it. The guys I play with just leave their non working eotech on for looks.

Get a optic shield. I got my tiny red dot shot out a few years ago. I now run only iron sights.

TV-PressPass · July 10th, 2013, 16:02

Solid points from Shelled Pants.

I love the Cmore sight, and have a personal soft spot for them. I've been through a lot of different reflex sights, but I keep coming back to that one.

lurkingknight · July 10th, 2013, 16:43

Well.. my panoramic reflex is probably <200g.... when I put my 1.25-5x visionking shortdot on instead... that thing weighs in the 500g rang ON TOP of the mount for it which weighs another 300g. I could get rings for it instead of a mount, and that would drop it significantly, but I've hardly used it.

It doesn't seem like a lot, you're right, but as the day goes on the suck factor starts to go higher and higher as a cumulative effect.

I've only ever seen a few airsoft holos do well in bright sunlight. I would say if you like the look of it to try before you buy... maybe a few vendors will allow you to turn it on and look at bright shit to see if you can still see the reticle. Huang at airsoft depot usually gives good feedback on which optics in stock are good for what. All of the better eotech replicas I've seen have come from him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelledPants

Bah:

Eotech 552 - 309g

Eotech XPS3 - 227g

Aimpoint T1 w/ Mount - 105g

Aimpoint PRO w/ Mount - 329g

CMORE Rail - 142g

While you're not wrong, the weight difference is minuscule, and you'll pay for the weight reduction (T1 vs PRO, XPS3 vs 552), and the CMORE is a competition sight, I just included it for a reference vs mil gear.

Go with what you're comfortable with. I went with a PRO as the ARD is $50 and already saved my lens twice, it also has NV modes, and 2 year battery life while on position 6 (leave it on optic).

SuperHog · July 10th, 2013, 16:57

Huang also have a good selection of red dots

ThunderCactus · July 10th, 2013, 17:03

reflex is better in CQB, less clutter, less obscurity from the RDS body.
conventional red dots for everything else, assuming you even want to run a replica red dot outside. I find every RDS except the specterDR, once you dial it up bright enough to even see the dot outside, has so much glare to the dot, it's just useless. Same goes for indoors.
My specterDR is a 4x (actually more like 3.5x), fixed crosshair, and has the most crisp and clear dot I've ever seen on a replica. To the point where you could probably actually use the green "NV" settings with an NVD.

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July 5th, 2013, 00:00	#4
solidgear34 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: guelph, ontario	Hurrican holosights, one of the only replicas that will work in bright daylight, eeyup... __________________ What Doesn't Kill You Will Be Pumped Full Of Bullets

July 7th, 2013, 21:31	#6
Spike Privateer Airsoft Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Beaverbank, NS	Unless you go RS, red dot all the way. __________________ I change primaries like other people change socks.

July 10th, 2013, 12:05	#8
Magnaroth Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Waterdown	Holo sights are also significantly heavier than most red dot sights. It may not be a lot when you're holding it in your palm, but when its on your gun, and the gun starts getting into the 10lb+ range, it becomes an issue. __________________ Guardians of Asgaard

June 30th, 2013, 09:18	#1
Swifty Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mississauga	Optics - Holo or Red Dot? I currently own a Red Dot and am extremely happy with it. One of my friends purchased a Holo scope yesterday (which I haven't had an opportunity to use in a game yet). As cool as the thing looked, I could see my upside down reflection in it. #1 - Is this reflection a nuisance when playing in glare-y conditions? #2 - what are the benefits of a Holo scope over a red dot? #3 - What are the benefits of a red dot scope over a Holo scope? Likely simple answers, but I'm sure people will have their opinions on this matter! :fro:

June 30th, 2013, 09:25	#2
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	With airsoft "holo" sights, there is no upside to using them aside from they look cool. Real ones have benefits over say aimpoint type reddot sights but they are expensive. I've seen some where it looks like mirror at some angles, rendering them useless. In airsoft "holo"sights are just shitty compressed reddot sights. Thus, regular reddots are better as they are setup in the layout the system requires to function properly.

June 30th, 2013, 09:37	#3
R.I.T.Z Crackers Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Shwa	the "Holo sights" in airsoft, are actually red dots in a different shell. unless you go real steel there is no difference aside from looks.

July 5th, 2013, 01:19	#5
akira69 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Sault Ste marie	i have a knockoff eotech 552 and i dont find it too terrible in daylight

July 8th, 2013, 17:33	#7
Spadona Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scarborough, ON	I personally like red dot a lot better than holo because it's easier for me to acquire a target (with my scope, at least). I run a Tasco "wide-view" red dot, and that thing is pretty big. In terms of total lens area, I'd say it's 1.5-2x larger than an eotech or holo.

July 10th, 2013, 15:26	#10
SuperHog Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Red dots if you want to really use it. The guys I play with just leave their non working eotech on for looks. Get a optic shield. I got my tiny red dot shot out a few years ago. I now run only iron sights.

July 10th, 2013, 16:02	#11
TV-PressPass Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Based in Alberta	Solid points from Shelled Pants. I love the Cmore sight, and have a personal soft spot for them. I've been through a lot of different reflex sights, but I keep coming back to that one. __________________

July 10th, 2013, 16:57	#13
SuperHog Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Huang also have a good selection of red dots

July 10th, 2013, 17:03	#14
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	reflex is better in CQB, less clutter, less obscurity from the RDS body. conventional red dots for everything else, assuming you even want to run a replica red dot outside. I find every RDS except the specterDR, once you dial it up bright enough to even see the dot outside, has so much glare to the dot, it's just useless. Same goes for indoors. My specterDR is a 4x (actually more like 3.5x), fixed crosshair, and has the most crisp and clear dot I've ever seen on a replica. To the point where you could probably actually use the green "NV" settings with an NVD.

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