KA FN FAL upgrade + wood kit

DarkAlman · January 21st, 2008, 22:37

Since there's a big lack of info on the KA FAL for upgrades (at least from my perspective) I decided I'd share what I've found out about mine during the upgrade process.

I did a full gearbox swap:

Stock motor + motor mount
Systema Helical Torque up gears and shims
Guarder double oil channels bushings
Systema Cylinder
Systema Cylinder Head (conical)
Systema Aluminum piston head (strickly for extra noise)
Systema Teflon coated aluminum piston
Systema Spring guide with bearings
Prometheus MS110 Spring
Guarder Tappet Plate
Systema nozzle (Sig552)
Prometheus 6.03mm barrel (508mm)
Prometheus hop-up rubber soft (blue)

All that and a wopping 410 FPS. Now I have to by an MS100 :P

*IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO UPGRADE YOUR FAL READ THE FOLLOWING*
I had a miserable time trying to get it to shoot consistently after my initial upgrade. The stock nozzle and tappet plate do not seal very well and caused a 100+ FPS air leak. If your planning an upgrade on your FAL be sure to include a nozzle and tappet plate, it will save you alot of headache.
The sig 552 nozzle fits perfectly.

When I was thinking of buying my FN I thought a wood kit would be cool but would be too much work. Then I got it and within 10 minutes I decided the plastic parts HAD TO GO.

3 months of work later...

The colour difference on the foregrip and stock are less noticeable in real life.
The Stock and Carry handle are hand made out of maple based on the measurements of the real steel parts. The butt plate is real steel and yes I can fit a large battery in there comfortably.

The foregrip is actual issue. It's Aussie and made out of some laminate combination of god only knows what that grows in the outback. It arrived looking like crap coated with sticky gun oil. I stripped it cleaned it and restained/repainted it. It required little modification to fit on the rifle. Just a little filing on the metal parts.

I'm still debating if I should but a para trooper flash hider on there or get the issue one with the bayonet lug.

I've also been trying to track down and L2A2 trilux scope for it. I found a couple but the only rails I've been able to find that fit that scope are built into the upper reciever (yikes!) good luck getting that into the country.

Darklen · January 21st, 2008, 23:06

I just wet my pants a little...

yanhchan · January 22nd, 2008, 10:38

Sweet job man!

Cassius · January 22nd, 2008, 11:18

Jesus fucking christ this is awesome! I want more pics! Show me one with the mag inserted!

ColtFarmer · January 22nd, 2008, 11:56

NICE work dude, when I saw it I think a little pee came out.

Vince · January 22nd, 2008, 12:03

I need to change underwear...

Porkchop · January 22nd, 2008, 12:44

Great job.
Hmm, a wood stock would be appropriate for the G1.
Thanks for giving me some ideas.

DarkAlman · January 22nd, 2008, 15:44

G1: wood stock, Bipod and plastic everything else

I modeled mine after an Argentine model because I like my full auto...

BIGMEDCIN · January 22nd, 2008, 15:52

question, I have an CA SA58, can the wood parts fit this? ,how much work to fit the rear stock.

PS. contact info for the wood pieces.

Thanks

DarkAlman · January 22nd, 2008, 17:43

The SA58 is a FAL carbine, the stock foregrip I used is from a full size rifle. It's just too long to fit on it.

Assuming the SA58 is like the KA FAL (assuming you have a foregrip of the right length) the wood foregrip fits with little effort I just needed to file down the metal parts at the back to make it fit snuggly.

The stock is a COMPLETELY different story. First of all it's not hollow. There's a channel on the inside for a cleaning kit that is slightly too small for a stick battery.
Secondly its not wide enough. The real steel stock is shaved down near the back which makes it too thin to drill out for a large battery. I had to make mine slightly thicker and tapered near the back to make the butt plate fit.
Thirdly it doesn't have the right mounting hardware. Although it is feasible to make a real steel stock fit an SA58 the amount of work involved is so great that you might as well make one from scratch... which is what I did.

BIGMEDCIN · January 22nd, 2008, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkAlman

The SA58 is a FAL carbine, the stock foregrip I used is from a full size rifle. It's just too long to fit on it.

Assuming the SA58 is like the KA FAL (assuming you have a foregrip of the right length) the wood foregrip fits with little effort I just needed to file down the metal parts at the back to make it fit snuggly.

The stock is a COMPLETELY different story. First of all it's not hollow. There's a channel on the inside for a cleaning kit that is slightly too small for a stick battery.
Secondly its not wide enough. The real steel stock is shaved down near the back which makes it too thin to drill out for a large battery. I had to make mine slightly thicker and tapered near the back to make the butt plate fit.
Thirdly it doesn't have the right mounting hardware. Although it is feasible to make a real steel stock fit an SA58 the amount of work involved is so great that you might as well make one from scratch... which is what I did.

Thanks...good info, I think I will just leave it the way it is, I have battled through M-14 and G-3 wood stocks, look great when done but maybe not worth the effort in the end.

Danke · January 22nd, 2008, 19:41

Back in the dark ages (there were only rocks, dirt hadn't formed yet). You'd unpack spare wood for C1's from brown paper wrapping and it would be sticky like sap underneath.

Some folks who were in the know would carry a C2 selector switch. Others would put a shim under the sear (something like a match torn in half) to get a full auto ride. It was just such a bastard to clean afterwards.

More Grandpa Simpson memories as they float to the top of my consciousness.

I love looking at FN's but I'd never want to drag one around again!

DarkAlman · January 22nd, 2008, 20:38

My dad had flashbacks of boot camp when I opened mine up

DarkAlman · January 22nd, 2008, 20:41

Quote:

Jesus fucking christ this is awesome! I want more pics! Show me one with the mag inserted!

Ask and yee shall receive.

The battery compartment I had to carve out.

Close up of the stock

Close up of the butt stock plate

Crunchmeister · January 22nd, 2008, 21:02

Tip o' the hat (or helmet) to you for the fine job you did on that gun. It looks truly spectacular. Having flashbacks of my old army cadet days and our time at the ranges in Valcartier shooting the old FN C1

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January 21st, 2008, 22:37	#1
DarkAlman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg	KA FN FAL upgrade + wood kit Since there's a big lack of info on the KA FAL for upgrades (at least from my perspective) I decided I'd share what I've found out about mine during the upgrade process. I did a full gearbox swap: Stock motor + motor mount Systema Helical Torque up gears and shims Guarder double oil channels bushings Systema Cylinder Systema Cylinder Head (conical) Systema Aluminum piston head (strickly for extra noise) Systema Teflon coated aluminum piston Systema Spring guide with bearings Prometheus MS110 Spring Guarder Tappet Plate Systema nozzle (Sig552) Prometheus 6.03mm barrel (508mm) Prometheus hop-up rubber soft (blue) All that and a wopping 410 FPS. Now I have to by an MS100 :P IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO UPGRADE YOUR FAL READ THE FOLLOWING I had a miserable time trying to get it to shoot consistently after my initial upgrade. The stock nozzle and tappet plate do not seal very well and caused a 100+ FPS air leak. If your planning an upgrade on your FAL be sure to include a nozzle and tappet plate, it will save you alot of headache. The sig 552 nozzle fits perfectly. When I was thinking of buying my FN I thought a wood kit would be cool but would be too much work. Then I got it and within 10 minutes I decided the plastic parts HAD TO GO. 3 months of work later... The colour difference on the foregrip and stock are less noticeable in real life. The Stock and Carry handle are hand made out of maple based on the measurements of the real steel parts. The butt plate is real steel and yes I can fit a large battery in there comfortably. The foregrip is actual issue. It's Aussie and made out of some laminate combination of god only knows what that grows in the outback. It arrived looking like crap coated with sticky gun oil. I stripped it cleaned it and restained/repainted it. It required little modification to fit on the rifle. Just a little filing on the metal parts. I'm still debating if I should but a para trooper flash hider on there or get the issue one with the bayonet lug. I've also been trying to track down and L2A2 trilux scope for it. I found a couple but the only rails I've been able to find that fit that scope are built into the upper reciever (yikes!) good luck getting that into the country. __________________ Quidne - Latin: Literal translation "Why Not?" TM Sig P228 KA FN FAL Canada's resident KA FN FAL expert.... apparently

January 21st, 2008, 23:06	#2
Darklen Administrator Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Red Deer, AB	I just wet my pants a little... __________________ *ASC Age Verifier for Red Deer & Area Alberta*

January 22nd, 2008, 10:38	#3
yanhchan Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scarborough/Richmond Hill ON	Sweet job man! __________________ YANHCHAN'S AIRSMITHING: AEG repair/Tune up/Upgrades V2/V3 mechboxes, rewiring/reconnecting. Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country ~John F. Kennedy

January 22nd, 2008, 11:18	#4
Cassius Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada	Jesus fucking christ this is awesome! I want more pics! Show me one with the mag inserted! __________________ WE AIN'T DEAD

January 22nd, 2008, 11:56	#5
ColtFarmer Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2002	NICE work dude, when I saw it I think a little pee came out. __________________ Arts and Crimes

January 22nd, 2008, 12:03	#6
Vince Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Drummondville QC	I need to change underwear... __________________ Who wants to dine in hell?

January 22nd, 2008, 12:44	#7
Porkchop Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St Hubert QC	Great job. Hmm, a wood stock would be appropriate for the G1. Thanks for giving me some ideas. __________________ Regards, Porkchop Cry "Haddock" and let slip the hounds of Beer [-brought to you courtesy of Salamander Army -]

January 22nd, 2008, 15:44	#8
DarkAlman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg	G1: wood stock, Bipod and plastic everything else I modeled mine after an Argentine model because I like my full auto... __________________ Quidne - Latin: Literal translation "Why Not?" TM Sig P228 KA FN FAL Canada's resident KA FN FAL expert.... apparently

January 22nd, 2008, 15:52	#9
BIGMEDCIN Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lower mainland BC	question, I have an CA SA58, can the wood parts fit this? ,how much work to fit the rear stock. PS. contact info for the wood pieces. Thanks

January 22nd, 2008, 17:43	#10
DarkAlman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg	The SA58 is a FAL carbine, the stock foregrip I used is from a full size rifle. It's just too long to fit on it. Assuming the SA58 is like the KA FAL (assuming you have a foregrip of the right length) the wood foregrip fits with little effort I just needed to file down the metal parts at the back to make it fit snuggly. The stock is a COMPLETELY different story. First of all it's not hollow. There's a channel on the inside for a cleaning kit that is slightly too small for a stick battery. Secondly its not wide enough. The real steel stock is shaved down near the back which makes it too thin to drill out for a large battery. I had to make mine slightly thicker and tapered near the back to make the butt plate fit. Thirdly it doesn't have the right mounting hardware. Although it is feasible to make a real steel stock fit an SA58 the amount of work involved is so great that you might as well make one from scratch... which is what I did. __________________ Quidne - Latin: Literal translation "Why Not?" TM Sig P228 KA FN FAL Canada's resident KA FN FAL expert.... apparently

January 22nd, 2008, 19:41	#12
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	Back in the dark ages (there were only rocks, dirt hadn't formed yet). You'd unpack spare wood for C1's from brown paper wrapping and it would be sticky like sap underneath. Some folks who were in the know would carry a C2 selector switch. Others would put a shim under the sear (something like a match torn in half) to get a full auto ride. It was just such a bastard to clean afterwards. More Grandpa Simpson memories as they float to the top of my consciousness. I love looking at FN's but I'd never want to drag one around again!

January 22nd, 2008, 20:38	#13
DarkAlman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg	My dad had flashbacks of boot camp when I opened mine up __________________ Quidne - Latin: Literal translation "Why Not?" TM Sig P228 KA FN FAL Canada's resident KA FN FAL expert.... apparently

January 22nd, 2008, 21:02	#15
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Tip o' the hat (or helmet) to you for the fine job you did on that gun. It looks truly spectacular. Having flashbacks of my old army cadet days and our time at the ranges in Valcartier shooting the old FN C1 __________________

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