Retailers supporting the +18 rule

[MMMiles!]

Originally Posted by nizfiz

Technically I can't buy a gun but it'll be my parents' gun and they'll trust me.

That is all we ask.

[nizfiz]

My parents aren't a problem, I argue mostly because I like to argue (people tell me I should be a lawyer). I want to make one thing clear: I never planned and never plan to break the rules.

[Greylocks]

There are times when being quiet is a far better course of action, even in court.

[nizfiz]

none of us are perfect, me notably

[Fluffy]

This is really getting frustrating.

Every one of you who has so far tried to argue against me has been giving reasons for why minors can't play. And those with out any reasons have just been saying "because that's the rules". I honestly don't know how I can get this across to you all any simpler.

I don't care if minors play. If you don't want to let them play fine, then don't. It doesn't hinder me in the slightest. I'm not a minor, I don't know any who want to play where they can't. And to be honest I'm not even some 'nice guy' who just believes in being fair. Personally I can't stand kids, I've never been able to even when I was one, so if we could guarantee somehow that a minor would never even lay eyes on an Airsoft gun, I would probably be happier than most of you even. I've said countless times already I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on that issue, and I never have. I just want you all to think about what I'm saying.

Here is it as simply as I can possibly put it.

Because of the things we do and the rules we have (even though it may be indirectly and unintentional. The rules are there for GOOD reason), minors may see no other option than to break the rules that we and the law have laid in place. Now there may be nothing we can do about that, if not...fine! But the next time you hear about a kid getting shot while playing in a park or some other stupid thing, rather than just chalking it up to the stupidity of youth, actually THINK about the reasons why this kid/kids did what they did. That's all I ask.

Is that a little easier and more straight forward now?

The easiest way for soccer moms to get airsoft banned, is if we turn a blind eye and do nothing.

[Dracheous]

Well Fluffly, I got one question for you, should we make it easier for any joe blow to get a drivers license? Because some kids do steal their parents car. Maybe we should get the Soccer moms after the government to ban personally owned vehicles?


Fluff, what I really don't get is how someone who says, "I don't care if minors play the sport." Says two lines down "If we could guarantee shomehow that a minor would never even lay eyes on an Airsoft gun, I would propbably be happier than most of you even." I don't get that, its a bit of a flip flop aint it? I mean first you say, "Sure let them play, then you say "No don't even let em know it exists."


The problem I see with the logic of "THINK about the reasons why this kid/kids did what tehy did." is going to be the same ill logic that never really got put into motion following the Columbine incident. Where kids went into the school with the guns and pipe bombs to kill people. No on really looked into why those kids did it, the focus was on the victums of that incident instead of the victums of YEARS or incidents that built up to that one. There was a report that said that beer bottles were thrown at them on their way into the school that day and the evidence was there was broken beer bottle glass in their trench coat pockets.

Its too much of an aftermath thing Fluffy, its like waiting for the Hurricane to come before boarding up the windows. I know you're not trying to argue here, but all I'm saying is, the best possible action we can do as a community is to just keep them out until they're old enough to be more trustworthy. Like the drivers license or voting examples I've used. And I really think arming these kids and showing em the ins and outs of the sport/game isn't going to help with the Soccer moms neighter, since more kids will have the ability to get the guns in the first place.

[Lisa]

For the most part I just don't wanna deal with some ones' crotch droppings because they are too busy playing bingo and can't be bothered to look after them.

second if they go off and do something stupid, well that's just dandy, as they're weeding them selves off before we have to deal with them as adults. we need less antidarwin laws and more personal responsibilty laws.

[Grim Fandango]

rather than just chalking it up to the stupidity of youth, actually THINK about the reasons why this kid/kids did what they did. That's all I ask.

Is that a little easier and more straight forward now?

The easiest way for soccer moms to get airsoft banned, is if we turn a blind eye and do nothing.

Everytime we hear about some kid getting shot in a park with airsoft, we do think about it. And the only explanation we've come up with is stupidity of the kid(s) and stupidity of the parent(s).

Also we aren't turning a blind eye and doing nothing. Many of us have written to MPs and we've also had a group of well known airsofters write a formal letter to the government. As well we all follow rules regarding storage and transport of our airsoft guns from our house to the field.

[Fluffy]

Ok, First off, Dracheous...you're an idiot. Apparently my entire post (stated as simply as I possibly could) went right over your head. please stop typing things, you're giving me a headache.

second, Lisa...I agree with the darwinism thing, but it still affects all of us in the end.

And thirdly, thank you Grim Fandango, for being one of the few with a good point. As you said there are many people in the airsoft community doing some very good and effective things to protect our beloved sport. I just think all of us (soccer moms and airsofters alike) need to look a little deeper into these issues than just plain stupidity.

If what I'm saying has absolutely nothing to do with the problems that are occuring much more often than we'd like, than so be it, maybe I'm wrong. But if I'm not, is it not even worth so much as a second thought?

[MMMiles!]

This thread has outlived it's usefulness. Or overreached.
If someone wants to split it back to where it had a point, by all means. Until then...