Is there any good airsoft green gas pistols out there?

ILLusion · September 24th, 2013, 19:12

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Originally Posted by silent_lemon

what about western arms, why hasnt this been suggested? or am i missing something after being gone a while?

Western Arms has fallen out of popularity for a number of reasons:

1) Although they are the nicest feeling guns out of the box, they come with a very significant price increase over the next best competitor: Tokyo Marui.

2) Despite the huge price increase, their durability is, at best, is worse than WE or KJW pistols when used with propane due to the fact that they are designed for lower powered duster gas. Their number one failure point is the slide. Airsoft Innovations at one point, made a flow restrictor valve to reduce the gas power put to the slide, which allowed users to use propane. With this combination, you would have an amazing feeling pistol, with HUGE blowback power. Western Arms blowback is still one of the best in the industry, fresh out of the box.

3) Their hop up system sucks. Period. It's like a KJW/KWA system with the ball bearing on the top... but worse... because there's also a point on the BOTTOM, created by a screw that applied pressure to the top hop nub. I understand the theory behind the design, but it creates a very inaccurate shot. If the round was seated off to one side, then it would fly off to the opposite side upon leaving the muzzle. Groupings were crap, at best. Many enthusiasts shoe horned Tokyo Marui's superior hop up system in to Western Arms. It seemed to work fine for CQB, so if the user had no intention on using these guns for <40 foot engagements (as is typical with competitive shooters), then the crap groupings didn't matter too much, as hop up could be turned off completely to avoid these grouping issues.

4) Their positive pressure valve system sucks. Period. It starts the blowback cycle the moment the BB has left its position in the chamber. This is bad, because the power of the slide blowing back will throw the shot off before it's even left the muzzle. This is NOT how a real gun functions, and Tokyo Marui is much better at replicating the firing action of a real gun, using a negative pressure valve system. The negative pressure system allows the projectile to fully leave the barrel, before the slide cycle begins. Just like a real gun.

5) Extremely EXPENSIVE magazines and parts.... assuming you could even find them.

6) That leads to the final issue, of the inability to find parts for them these days. Because of all the above issues, Western Arms aftermarket support (or even OEM support, for that matter), fell to the wayside in favour of all the many more positive attributes of Tokyo Marui platforms.

That isn't to say that Western Arms doesn't have any aftermarket support... if anything, they have the deepest support with ultra high end custom parts manufacturers, since the Western Arms platform did have many positive attributes that Tokyo Marui can't come close to. Primarily, their barrel linkage system in their 1911/Hi-Cap series, as well as their hard kicking blowback system. But again, that leads back to point #6, which is EXTREMELY expensive parts... and people say ILLusion Kinetics parts for the Marui system was expensive... you should see how much our Western Arms parts are. It would make you faint.

But yeah... beautifully built guns out of the box. Great heft, and despite being made of plastic, their slides had a great heft to them. Too bad they were so brittle, which was the major source of their problems.

L473ncy · September 24th, 2013, 19:13

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Originally Posted by silent_lemon

what about western arms, why hasnt this been suggested? or am i missing something after being gone a while?

Because if it breaks you're boned unless you have another donor gun to gut parts from. Also, you have to qualify it with which system Magna, SCW, SCW2, etc.

IMO they're more show pieces than something that's gameable and they definitely need to be run on duster because from what I can tell most people seem to say that propane/greengas is too hard on them and severely shortens it's lifespan.

CDN_Rogue · September 24th, 2013, 19:13

KWA HK45 - mud, dirt, rain, mushy bio bbs, hmm what else, dropped on rocks, mags slammed against rocks, hmm basically mine has been pretty abused? Not a bad user, just a typical hardcore airsoft player. Welcome to the club! Using king arms gas and periodic cleaning, this pistol is the best IMO! I have had no issues and shoots just as straight as day one ... yes it shot very good on day one! it uses the new split hopup and gas efficiency is pretty good using ns2! 2 mags per fill. Clean with a heavy weight oil. no issues!
ps my classic army 1911 had lots of leaky mags. something I have never had to deal with yet with my kwa mags

ILLusion · September 24th, 2013, 19:21

Classic Army made GBB's? Neat. I'd never seen or heard of them before. I'm guessing they were junk, like their first generation AEG's...

Is Classic Army even around anymore? They've had so many legal troubles since their start... I heard their flagship store in Hong Kong recently closed as well.

BloodSport · September 24th, 2013, 20:29

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Originally Posted by DI Sessa

What is the most reliable, durabe, realistic green gas full metal pistol out there?

You do also know green gas = propane right? Green Gas is just a marketing ploy to drain you of more money.

lurkingknight · September 25th, 2013, 01:01

nope flagship store still operating.. I ordered parts from them last month.

pestobanana · September 25th, 2013, 01:14

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Originally Posted by lurkingknight

nope flagship store still operating.. I ordered parts from them last month.

Off topic, how the fuck did you manage to get a hold of them and place an order?

lurkingknight · September 25th, 2013, 10:25

I emailed the info address at classic army and said my local vendors haven't been able to do shit for me, and I needed the parts, they forwarded the mail to the sales dept at the store (they said they would direct me to the flagship store in HK) who priced me out the parts and then I had a 2-3 wait for them to get the parts from factory.

Whether or not it actually was their store or some other guy's desk across the office, I have no way of knowing for sure... but my parts are likely at the post office right now waiting for pickup since I have a missed parcel tag in my hand.

lurkingknight · September 25th, 2013, 11:02

Derp post

bananaphone88 · January 26th, 2014, 13:43

Kwc co2 1911s are very good, full metal body, very powerfull, they're pretty cheap and look better the more you wear em down.

Styrak · January 26th, 2014, 13:57

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Originally Posted by bananaphone88

Kwc co2 1911s are very good, full metal body, very powerfull, they're pretty cheap and look better the more you wear em down.