Getting a gun to shoot <300 FPS?

FoxhoundNB · October 18th, 2011, 19:41

We have an upcoming Zombie game and we're wondering if there's any springs designed for sub-300 FPS. I can't really seem to find any, so would cutting some down and swapping them work?

Some of the guns include CA and G&P M4s, some shittier brand M4s, and an ARES G36C.

Any help or other ideas would be awesome.

Thanks.

Skladfin · October 18th, 2011, 19:53

new spring. M90 or lower.

Blue-fish · October 18th, 2011, 20:11

This may help its a Spring Comparison Chart
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=4911

Kos-Mos · October 18th, 2011, 20:13

Any stock TM spring...

I got dozens... want some?

They all shoot 280 right on the spot.

FoxhoundNB · October 18th, 2011, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kos-Mos

Any stock TM spring...

I got dozens... want some?

They all shoot 280 right on the spot.

That'd be perfect, I'll take this to PMs

According to that chart (and some of the sites) M90 springs bring the FPS to about 330, which is still a bit much. Thanks guys.

L473ncy · October 18th, 2011, 20:23

If worst comes to worst use a Guarder SP85: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3391

However other than that I would stick with the stock TM springs. Although I was always under the impression that the stock springs were "1J springs" and shot between 300-328 FPS.

Adamlxlx · October 18th, 2011, 20:33

My TM m733 shot 290 on the button stock.

FoxhoundNB · October 18th, 2011, 20:43

The Spring comparison table also has them shooting sub-300.

I was hoping to avoid AirsoftGI because their shipping rates are attrocious.

CDN_Stalker · October 18th, 2011, 20:46

Stock TM springs for the win for sub-300fps, but you'll have to either use a stock TM piston with it, of just cut off the hook that attaches to the piston itself.

Kos-Mos · October 18th, 2011, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker

Stock TM springs for the win for sub-300fps, but you'll have to either use a stock TM piston with it, of just cut off the hook that attaches to the piston itself.

In the batch I have, 2-3 hooks are cut... the rest are new... When you cut the hook and use it with a bearing spring guide and a long (M16/500mm) inner, you get about 300-310 from a fresh spring.

Older springs run between 275 and 290 (again, depends on barrel lenght and cylinder porting).

CDN_Stalker · October 18th, 2011, 21:20

Yup, just reinforcing the idea for him........

ThunderCactus · October 18th, 2011, 21:23

Be careful on full auto, if you're set up for fairly high RPM on a 380ish spring, shooting 300fps might over-speed your mechbox on full auto. I recommend sticking to semi as much as possible

FreelancerInc · October 18th, 2011, 21:27

comparison charts dont mean much really, I have a fresh 140 in my g36 tbb 415mmib and I shoot a average 420 on the nose. the charts will say I should shoot 440ish , if I remember the charts correctly

FoxhoundNB · October 18th, 2011, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Be careful on full auto, if you're set up for fairly high RPM on a 380ish spring, shooting 300fps might over-speed your mechbox on full auto. I recommend sticking to semi as much as possible

It'll be semi-only, and the ammo will be very limited, so I don't forsee any problems. We just want these so we can get away from springer pistols and shotguns.

CDN_Stalker · October 18th, 2011, 21:42

Look at the amount of upgraded parts in the chart's test platform, most deal with the "best configuration" possible as far as air sealing, efficiency, etc.

Case in point, the PDI 150% spring is listed at ~395fps w/0.20g, and when I first bought one for my stock TM MP5A5, I sat at a very pretty 350fps within about +/- 2fps. Within two months of casual shooting in my basement over the winter, it blew out the front end of my mechbox.

Over the years of doing gun work, quite a few bought and asked me to install PDI 150% springs, a couple ran around 350fps, quite a few ran upwards of 425fps, all with relatively stock guns, some had bearing spring guides installed (+ ~15fps), tightbores (+ ~10fps), etc. Easy enough to calculate within 10fps or so, but after seeing the 75fps range those springs can shoot at regardless of upgrades (had some bare stock guns shoot that high easily), I sorted out some were up to 3/4" longer than others (my 350fps spring was 6 3/8" long, got a couple 150% that were up to and just past 7" long), and also made of thicker steel spring wire, making compression and install damned close to impossible, and also massive fuse blowing during testing.

Illusion did a great job putting that comparison chart together, but for those that want to get a certain fps with their gun and NOT looking to add in all the bells and whistles he did, the chart is pointless. For some springs, look at the m/s rating and judge for your own set up, for others like PDI, stay away from them, they turned to crap after 2004, at least as far as AEG springs go.

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October 18th, 2011, 19:41	#1
FoxhoundNB Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Fredericton NB	Getting a gun to shoot <300 FPS? We have an upcoming Zombie game and we're wondering if there's any springs designed for sub-300 FPS. I can't really seem to find any, so would cutting some down and swapping them work? Some of the guns include CA and G&P M4s, some shittier brand M4s, and an ARES G36C. Any help or other ideas would be awesome. Thanks.

October 18th, 2011, 20:11	#3
Blue-fish Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Brampton. Ontario	This may help its a Spring Comparison Chart http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=4911 __________________

October 18th, 2011, 20:23	#6
L473ncy Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 11-30-24-1W5	If worst comes to worst use a Guarder SP85: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3391 However other than that I would stick with the stock TM springs. Although I was always under the impression that the stock springs were "1J springs" and shot between 300-328 FPS. __________________ ಠ_ಠLess QQ more Pew Pew READY TO >> RACE

October 18th, 2011, 19:53	#2
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	new spring. M90 or lower.

October 18th, 2011, 20:33	#7
Adamlxlx Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Guelph	My TM m733 shot 290 on the button stock.

October 18th, 2011, 20:43	#8
FoxhoundNB Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Fredericton NB	The Spring comparison table also has them shooting sub-300. I was hoping to avoid AirsoftGI because their shipping rates are attrocious.

October 18th, 2011, 20:46	#9
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Stock TM springs for the win for sub-300fps, but you'll have to either use a stock TM piston with it, of just cut off the hook that attaches to the piston itself. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

October 18th, 2011, 21:20	#11
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Yup, just reinforcing the idea for him........ __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

October 18th, 2011, 21:23	#12
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Be careful on full auto, if you're set up for fairly high RPM on a 380ish spring, shooting 300fps might over-speed your mechbox on full auto. I recommend sticking to semi as much as possible

October 18th, 2011, 21:27	#13
FreelancerInc Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brooks Alberta Canada	comparison charts dont mean much really, I have a fresh 140 in my g36 tbb 415mmib and I shoot a average 420 on the nose. the charts will say I should shoot 440ish , if I remember the charts correctly __________________ Forums Rules, Learn em, Love em Follow em I have gear and gun rentals available at all Team SWATT hosted games in Brooks, Alberta Last edited by FreelancerInc; October 18th, 2011 at 21:28.. Reason: typo

October 18th, 2011, 21:42	#15
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Look at the amount of upgraded parts in the chart's test platform, most deal with the "best configuration" possible as far as air sealing, efficiency, etc. Case in point, the PDI 150% spring is listed at ~395fps w/0.20g, and when I first bought one for my stock TM MP5A5, I sat at a very pretty 350fps within about +/- 2fps. Within two months of casual shooting in my basement over the winter, it blew out the front end of my mechbox. Over the years of doing gun work, quite a few bought and asked me to install PDI 150% springs, a couple ran around 350fps, quite a few ran upwards of 425fps, all with relatively stock guns, some had bearing spring guides installed (+ ~15fps), tightbores (+ ~10fps), etc. Easy enough to calculate within 10fps or so, but after seeing the 75fps range those springs can shoot at regardless of upgrades (had some bare stock guns shoot that high easily), I sorted out some were up to 3/4" longer than others (my 350fps spring was 6 3/8" long, got a couple 150% that were up to and just past 7" long), and also made of thicker steel spring wire, making compression and install damned close to impossible, and also massive fuse blowing during testing. Illusion did a great job putting that comparison chart together, but for those that want to get a certain fps with their gun and NOT looking to add in all the bells and whistles he did, the chart is pointless. For some springs, look at the m/s rating and judge for your own set up, for others like PDI, stay away from them, they turned to crap after 2004, at least as far as AEG springs go. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871 Last edited by CDN_Stalker; October 18th, 2011 at 21:46..

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