Noob upgrading a TM Hi-capa 5.1

Amoki · March 9th, 2015, 22:24

Currently trying to build my Hi-capa 5.1 into a IPSC platform... but it's giving me problems to no end.

The stock TM Hi-capa shoots alright - 250-260FPS on .25 g. I also have 2 Marui mags and a WE Mag for it.

Now, what I have done so far:
- TM mags upgraded with a Guarder high performance valve
- Slide to a Shooters Design STI Eagle 5.1
- Guarder Hammer spring and 150% recoil spring
- TK Twist Barrel

Now, this platform will shoot with the WE mag at 250FPS

But when I put in the upgraded TM mags, I have having a myriad of issues. Sometimes the gun would light strike, sometimes it'll fire but with excess gas coming out from the back of the slide/BBU.

How do I tackle the problem from here?

pusangani · March 9th, 2015, 22:55

Upgrade your hammer spring to compensate for the highflow valves needing a harder strike

*edit nvm, just read that you upgraded it, try replacing the stock flow valves and see how it goes?

Sequential · March 9th, 2015, 23:15

Have you checked your loading nozzle spring and did you check if your loading nozzle is seized by a stiff o-ring?

Amoki · March 10th, 2015, 01:02

Yeah, put the stock valve back in the mag and it shoots ok (~250 FPS on .25).

Loading nozzle is okay, otherwise my WE mag should not have given me anything at all. In fact, the whole problem just seems to be the Guarder performance being a prick and is a no-go for my TM HiCapa 5.1?

What exactly can I do to put increase the FPS on my Hi-capa? Nineball Dyna Piston Head?

Styrak · March 10th, 2015, 01:46

Tightbore barrel and yeah maybe a better piston head.

Amoki · March 10th, 2015, 01:57

Another issue that has been driving me nuts the whole day: My Shooters Design slide keeps getting "locked" back when the slide is pulled all the way back. Putting a 150% recoil spring does not elevate the issue. I've spent the whole afternoon with a file making the action smoother, but I don't seem to have gotten anywhere closer to solving the problem. Thoughts?

Drakker · March 10th, 2015, 07:12

Does it bind with the hammer?

Amoki · March 10th, 2015, 15:03

What do you mean by hammer binding?

pusangani · March 10th, 2015, 20:51

He means is the blowback unit getting caught on the hammer

When it gets stuck, how do you get it back forward? Outer barrels sometimes get caught as well, requiring you to smack the front of the outer to get the slide to return to battery, usually caused by the outer sliding past the hopup chamber

Amoki · March 10th, 2015, 22:30

I have to push it from the back, although a slight shake will also send the slide forward.

Could very well be hammer-binding as I can visibly see the hammer moving as I pull the slide back as if it is rubbing against something.

What can I do?

wind_comm · March 10th, 2015, 23:30

where in the stroke is it getting stuck? 1911s have a habit of getting hung up on the hammer/bbu edge in front of the cocking protrusion.

Amoki · March 11th, 2015, 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by wind_comm

where in the stroke is it getting stuck? 1911s have a habit of getting hung up on the hammer/bbu edge in front of the cocking protrusion.

That's it! Just had a look and that's exactly where it is getting caught.

What's my way out?

Slono · March 11th, 2015, 20:06

You can either file the ramp on the underside of the BBU until the hammer doesn't catch on it or you can file the part of the hammer that makes contact with the ramp of the BBU. Be careful with the filing because you can't bring back the material once its gone.

Amoki · March 11th, 2015, 21:09

Yip, filing the underside of the BBU works.

Another question.

I just tested the slide action by firing the Hi-capa on empty. It will only effectively lock back for 15 shots before the mag runs out of gas to push the slide all the way back effective for the slide lock to engage (if my terminology is right).

My control for ambience is a a TM G17 fitted with a PGC metal slide. It will fire on empty for 23 shots before the mag runs out of gas to do the same. A hi-capa mag is longer than a G17 mag. the G17 slide is 220g. The 5.1 slide is 280 g. Temperature is <20*C in New Zealand right now.

Is this normal? 60 g = ~27% heavier than the G17 slide, so 3/4 of 23 = 6 shots less which sounds right.

And if it is normal, what is the next route to making my slide lighter for efficiency's sake?

Ranger11 · March 11th, 2015, 22:35

You can't compare two entirely different platforms for efficiency, it's like comparing a car to a truck to pull a camper.

Mags are all built differently, even though they my physically be the same shape and size or close to, the inner gas well may not be the same size.

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March 9th, 2015, 22:24	#1
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	Noob upgrading a TM Hi-capa 5.1 Currently trying to build my Hi-capa 5.1 into a IPSC platform... but it's giving me problems to no end. The stock TM Hi-capa shoots alright - 250-260FPS on .25 g. I also have 2 Marui mags and a WE Mag for it. Now, what I have done so far: - TM mags upgraded with a Guarder high performance valve - Slide to a Shooters Design STI Eagle 5.1 - Guarder Hammer spring and 150% recoil spring - TK Twist Barrel Now, this platform will shoot with the WE mag at 250FPS But when I put in the upgraded TM mags, I have having a myriad of issues. Sometimes the gun would light strike, sometimes it'll fire but with excess gas coming out from the back of the slide/BBU. How do I tackle the problem from here? Last edited by Amoki; March 10th, 2015 at 01:01..

March 9th, 2015, 22:55	#2
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	Upgrade your hammer spring to compensate for the highflow valves needing a harder strike *edit nvm, just read that you upgraded it, try replacing the stock flow valves and see how it goes? __________________

March 9th, 2015, 23:15	#3
Sequential Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: HKG.YYZ.NRT	Have you checked your loading nozzle spring and did you check if your loading nozzle is seized by a stiff o-ring? __________________

March 10th, 2015, 01:02	#4
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	Yeah, put the stock valve back in the mag and it shoots ok (~250 FPS on .25). Loading nozzle is okay, otherwise my WE mag should not have given me anything at all. In fact, the whole problem just seems to be the Guarder performance being a prick and is a no-go for my TM HiCapa 5.1? What exactly can I do to put increase the FPS on my Hi-capa? Nineball Dyna Piston Head?

March 10th, 2015, 01:46	#5
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Tightbore barrel and yeah maybe a better piston head. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

March 10th, 2015, 01:57	#6
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	Another issue that has been driving me nuts the whole day: My Shooters Design slide keeps getting "locked" back when the slide is pulled all the way back. Putting a 150% recoil spring does not elevate the issue. I've spent the whole afternoon with a file making the action smoother, but I don't seem to have gotten anywhere closer to solving the problem. Thoughts?

March 10th, 2015, 07:12	#7
Drakker Official ASC Geomorphologist Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Montr?al south shore, Qc	Does it bind with the hammer? __________________ Keep quiet. Sound travels faster than BBs. Québec province's master age verification representative.

March 10th, 2015, 15:03	#8
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	What do you mean by hammer binding?

March 10th, 2015, 20:51	#9
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	He means is the blowback unit getting caught on the hammer When it gets stuck, how do you get it back forward? Outer barrels sometimes get caught as well, requiring you to smack the front of the outer to get the slide to return to battery, usually caused by the outer sliding past the hopup chamber __________________

March 10th, 2015, 22:30	#10
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	I have to push it from the back, although a slight shake will also send the slide forward. Could very well be hammer-binding as I can visibly see the hammer moving as I pull the slide back as if it is rubbing against something. What can I do?

March 10th, 2015, 23:30	#11
wind_comm Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Calgary/Vancouver	where in the stroke is it getting stuck? 1911s have a habit of getting hung up on the hammer/bbu edge in front of the cocking protrusion. __________________ too busy tinkering to play.

March 11th, 2015, 20:06	#13
Slono Slow mo. Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: GTA	You can either file the ramp on the underside of the BBU until the hammer doesn't catch on it or you can file the part of the hammer that makes contact with the ramp of the BBU. Be careful with the filing because you can't bring back the material once its gone. __________________ The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

March 11th, 2015, 21:09	#14
Amoki Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aotearoa	Yip, filing the underside of the BBU works. Another question. I just tested the slide action by firing the Hi-capa on empty. It will only effectively lock back for 15 shots before the mag runs out of gas to push the slide all the way back effective for the slide lock to engage (if my terminology is right). My control for ambience is a a TM G17 fitted with a PGC metal slide. It will fire on empty for 23 shots before the mag runs out of gas to do the same. A hi-capa mag is longer than a G17 mag. the G17 slide is 220g. The 5.1 slide is 280 g. Temperature is <20*C in New Zealand right now. Is this normal? 60 g = ~27% heavier than the G17 slide, so 3/4 of 23 = 6 shots less which sounds right. And if it is normal, what is the next route to making my slide lighter for efficiency's sake?

March 11th, 2015, 22:35	#15
Ranger11 Extra Salty and vinegar Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Red Deer, Alberta	You can't compare two entirely different platforms for efficiency, it's like comparing a car to a truck to pull a camper. Mags are all built differently, even though they my physically be the same shape and size or close to, the inner gas well may not be the same size. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

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