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Old March 25th, 2014, 20:22   #16
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How about looking at it more practically?
The transition isn't quite as fast as the more commonly known magpul style draw
And it would take longer to bring your rifle back up to reload
BUT have you ever tried to run full tilt with a rifle hanging in front of your balls or on your hip? It fucking sucks.

Also keep in mind, most of these tactics are based on the AK and a 2pt sling. The most basic of cheap gear. They also train to use that sling in hand to hand combat, so they don't always have it around their neck.
Even the US forces of the era didn't have all this fancy shit like tacos and 3pt slings and serpa holsters.
So how about you compare that style of training and fighting, to cold war era US gear?
leather buckled pistol holsters, ALICE gear, 2pt slings, and mag pouches with flaps on them. Seems more practical to throw the rifle on your back now, doesn't it?

keep in mind deadliest warrior is a complete sham, works with very few variables, and is made in 'merica, which pretty well guarantees it's not going to be accurate
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Old March 25th, 2014, 20:57   #17
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> Elite special forces
> Using gear that's comparable to cold war era US gear

If your gear and weaponry is holding you back from being combat effective for the longest possible period (ie less "down time" of trying to get a working weapon into the fight), then change your gear. If you have inferior tactics, and you blame your gear, then change the gear.

If your rifle isn't slung, then drop it on the ground (unless you'll need it). A weapon that won't fire, is dead weight. Hopefully you'll be able to retrieve the weapon when it's needed, of course.

And yes, running full tilt with a rifle hanging between your legs, attempting to sterilize you, does suck. But have you ever tried to shoot a pistol one handed while trying to hold a rifle in front of you? That sucks too.

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Old March 25th, 2014, 20:58   #18
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Old March 25th, 2014, 21:17   #19
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I snickered at the joke.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 21:26   #20
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Maybe during the cold war, it was an effective technique that was used, however as the times changed, so did the weapons, gear and equipment. We now have 1 point, 2 point, 3 point tactical slings, MOLLE vests and open mag pouches which significantly decreases the time you spend swapping mags. Besides, even size of the rifles have decreased quite a bit and there are carbines firing 5.56 NATO rounds but still keep a compact size, you just let go of that sucker with a sling on and it sticks to your chest and then you grab your sidearm, aim and fire
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Old March 25th, 2014, 21:40   #21
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^ exactly
except russia still thinks it's the cold war
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Old March 25th, 2014, 23:20   #22
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Lol
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Old March 26th, 2014, 08:59   #23
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I still think itís worth studying as a concept if only as Ďanthropological researchí on a martial art.

Sure, Taekwondo is an outdated style when compared to MMA Fighting, but that doesnít mean Taekwondo kick wonít knock a dude flat out.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 13:40   #24
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Given the equipment they had available at the time, I'd figure this wasnt such a bad technique.
People often evaluate techniques without trying to find what situation it was meant to be used for. This is an easy way to become ignorant and closed minded.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 13:57   #25
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If your primary goes dry, I would argue that you should reload it, rather than switching to an inferior weapon.
the video is more so for when you have a failure or when a tactical reload is not possible.

since the rifle isn't slung, he is demonstrating a technique to get it slung and draw your secondary. I'm sure in action that move would be a touch faster.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 17:03   #26
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Well most people I assume (maybe I shouldn't) use a sling with their rifle and keep the sling on so that they can let it go and have it just "stick" to your chest. I'm going to go a little off topic for a bit so bear with me, I enjoy watching Instructor Zero's videos on Funker Tactical. Lot's of people bash him but I think he's pretty knowledgeable. He does that sling technique in one of his videos and I noticed that he did not have much gear on at the time. Also, this seems like an AK specific technique. I tried it with my SCAR, too hard to cradle with one arm while still keeping barrel on target. If it works, then I have no right to say anything, but I just think that there are more efficient ways to do the same thing with less movement.
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Old December 4th, 2014, 22:08   #27
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Oh man, all this arguing.

It honestly seems faster to just reload provided your mag is ready to go out of the pouch, more so with an AR platform rifle but still with an AK.
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