Radio solution for MSA Sordin (non boom mic)

TANNER · January 12th, 2016, 12:32

So I recently moved to the states where they love their Thunder-B's. Due to this a good noise cancelling headset was in order so grabbed a pair of MSA Sordin supreme pro X.

I'm curious if its possible to get a comms setup working with my Puxing 888k (kenwood) without the need for an expensive boom mic addition.

I'm aware of the compatibility problem between mil headset / civ radio but after doing some digging I found this PTT from Toysoldier Toy Soldier PTT which looks like it will solve the PTT problem. But how can I get a mic working with this setup? preferable a clip on chest mic.

Any knowledge appreciated!

Cliffradical · January 12th, 2016, 13:41

I think they have the same problem as my Howard Leights where there just isn't any way to do a pass-though for a mic. You could do a straight through to your Aux port to receive only, but short of finding a real fancy ptt that can split and handle all of the traffic, we're pretty much SOL.

TANNER · January 12th, 2016, 16:33

Thats a shame, you would think there would be a way.

A less than ideal solution would be to just wear an earpeice under the cup. Sacrificing a little bit of noise reduction (although the gel cups are pretty great at covering bumps like wires)

Cliffradical · January 12th, 2016, 17:04

Afaik it's a shortcoming reflected in the price and purpose of our ear pro. I've thought about using an ear piece as well, but in my experience cramming buds under ear pro for work, it gets painful pretty quick.
Best solution I've come up with (apart from shelling out for full-on tac sordins) would be running a 2-way shoulder piece (actually way more effective than you think) and just plugging in for recieve only, and letting my buddy do all the talking (fine by me).

Cobrajr122 · January 12th, 2016, 17:31

Most good shoulder(PA) mics will have a sound passthough meant for those clear ear tubes. Just get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm jack (if that is the size used) and use that to pump sound into the sordins and use the PA mic to talk.

Like so:

Here is one that should work, kinda pricey, but so were the sordins.
http://www.911supply.ca/collections/...-3-5mm-kenwood

Im sure there are other options out there though.

You could also just get you hands on a raw kenwood connector or lapel mic/ear phne combo and put your own 3.5mm jack on it. (cut off the earbud)

The AUX connector on the sordins is supposed to work with media players so you should not have any impedance issues.
The incompatibility usually found with sordins has to do with the mics and not the speakers. All that had to be done with mine when I got it set up for civ comms was replace the mic, a $7.50 part.

ShelledPants · January 12th, 2016, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobrajr122

Most good shoulder(PA) mics will have a sound passthough meant for those clear ear tubes. Just get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm jack (if that is the size used) and use that to pump sound into the sordins and use the PA mic to talk.

Like so:

Here is one that should work, kinda pricey, but so were the sordins.
http://www.911supply.ca/collections/...-3-5mm-kenwood

Im sure there are other options out there though.

You could also just get you hands on a raw kenwood connector or lapel mic/ear phne combo and put your own 3.5mm jack on it. (cut off the earbud)

The AUX connector on the sordins is supposed to work with media players so you should not have any impedance issues.

This is the solution. Saw the thread and was going to post something practically identical.

Cliffradical · January 12th, 2016, 17:58

Well hot damn.
Looks like we got a stew goin'!

mcguyver · January 12th, 2016, 18:06

Peltor boom mic and y-cable adapter works great with that headset. Might be cheaper south of border seeing as Peltor is distributed out of the US.

Been using that setup for years.

Cobrajr122 · January 12th, 2016, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelledPants

This is the solution. Saw the thread and was going to post something practically identical.

TANNER · January 13th, 2016, 01:35

This is great news, thanks guys!

Cobrajr122 - You mentioned you had to replace the mic, are you saying that purchasing the above solution would require some modification? Could you elaborate on that if it's the case?

R711 · January 13th, 2016, 12:06

In real world use, I just use the peltors with radio ear buds underneath. Less hassle when things cut out from loud noises etc.

Cobrajr122 · January 13th, 2016, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by TANNER

This is great news, thanks guys!

Cobrajr122 - You mentioned you had to replace the mic, are you saying that purchasing the above solution would require some modification? Could you elaborate on that if it's the case?

I was referring to my sordins with a boom mic - you will not need to mod anything for the solutions I posted above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R711

In real world use, I just use the peltors with radio ear buds underneath. Less hassle when things cut out from loud noises etc.

Why would your headset cut out the radio, this should NOT happen. No real headset I have ever used does this.

Cliffradical · January 13th, 2016, 17:31

My working man Peltors have a built in radio that blasts, but the aux input dampens my ipod to cutoff levels (great for people with good hearing, but annoying because I'm already pretty deaf).
Maybe it's something like that?

beta678 · January 13th, 2016, 17:57

Thought I'd share this, had this bookmarked for ages...

I run HL Impact Sports, no comms yet so haven't bothered to source the various parts and figure out how to wire it up.

Source:
http://sava-woodcats.livejournal.com/17900.html

Is Russian so I haven't been able to glean any significant information off the post, but the pictures are fairly self explanatory.

Though personally, I'd prefer to install a better looking mic like this one off the AR15 forum.

Source:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/41..._Comtacs_.html

If anyone figures out a parts list and how to wire it up, do share

Cliffradical · January 13th, 2016, 20:00

Looks like a simple splitter to ptt. The better one must have required disassembly of the one cup, a drill through the shell, and figuring out how to seal and clamp it.
Very interesting. I love my HL ISs, would be into figuring this out as well.
The shoulder 2-way seems like the simplest/ sturdiest option though, so I'ma just do that.

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January 12th, 2016, 12:32	#1
TANNER ChrisUK Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto	Radio solution for MSA Sordin (non boom mic) So I recently moved to the states where they love their Thunder-B's. Due to this a good noise cancelling headset was in order so grabbed a pair of MSA Sordin supreme pro X. I'm curious if its possible to get a comms setup working with my Puxing 888k (kenwood) without the need for an expensive boom mic addition. I'm aware of the compatibility problem between mil headset / civ radio but after doing some digging I found this PTT from Toysoldier Toy Soldier PTT which looks like it will solve the PTT problem. But how can I get a mic working with this setup? preferable a clip on chest mic. Any knowledge appreciated! __________________

January 12th, 2016, 16:33	#3
TANNER ChrisUK Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto	Thats a shame, you would think there would be a way. A less than ideal solution would be to just wear an earpeice under the cup. Sacrificing a little bit of noise reduction (although the gel cups are pretty great at covering bumps like wires) __________________

January 12th, 2016, 17:31	#5
Cobrajr122 2 Cent Tactical Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NB	Most good shoulder(PA) mics will have a sound passthough meant for those clear ear tubes. Just get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm jack (if that is the size used) and use that to pump sound into the sordins and use the PA mic to talk. Like so: Here is one that should work, kinda pricey, but so were the sordins. http://www.911supply.ca/collections/...-3-5mm-kenwood Im sure there are other options out there though. You could also just get you hands on a raw kenwood connector or lapel mic/ear phne combo and put your own 3.5mm jack on it. (cut off the earbud) The AUX connector on the sordins is supposed to work with media players so you should not have any impedance issues. The incompatibility usually found with sordins has to do with the mics and not the speakers. All that had to be done with mine when I got it set up for civ comms was replace the mic, a $7.50 part. __________________ www.2centtac.com F i n d - a n - A g e - V e r i f i e r Last edited by Cobrajr122; January 12th, 2016 at 17:37..

January 12th, 2016, 13:41	#2
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	I think they have the same problem as my Howard Leights where there just isn't any way to do a pass-though for a mic. You could do a straight through to your Aux port to receive only, but short of finding a real fancy ptt that can split and handle all of the traffic, we're pretty much SOL.

January 12th, 2016, 17:04	#4
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	Afaik it's a shortcoming reflected in the price and purpose of our ear pro. I've thought about using an ear piece as well, but in my experience cramming buds under ear pro for work, it gets painful pretty quick. Best solution I've come up with (apart from shelling out for full-on tac sordins) would be running a 2-way shoulder piece (actually way more effective than you think) and just plugging in for recieve only, and letting my buddy do all the talking (fine by me).

January 12th, 2016, 17:58	#7
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	Well hot damn. Looks like we got a stew goin'!

January 12th, 2016, 18:06	#8
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Peltor boom mic and y-cable adapter works great with that headset. Might be cheaper south of border seeing as Peltor is distributed out of the US. Been using that setup for years. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

January 13th, 2016, 01:35	#10
TANNER ChrisUK Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto	This is great news, thanks guys! Cobrajr122 - You mentioned you had to replace the mic, are you saying that purchasing the above solution would require some modification? Could you elaborate on that if it's the case? __________________

January 13th, 2016, 12:06	#11
R711 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2003	In real world use, I just use the peltors with radio ear buds underneath. Less hassle when things cut out from loud noises etc.

January 13th, 2016, 17:31	#13
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	My working man Peltors have a built in radio that blasts, but the aux input dampens my ipod to cutoff levels (great for people with good hearing, but annoying because I'm already pretty deaf). Maybe it's something like that?

January 13th, 2016, 17:57	#14
beta678 ASC's navel of the year! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC	Thought I'd share this, had this bookmarked for ages... I run HL Impact Sports, no comms yet so haven't bothered to source the various parts and figure out how to wire it up. Source: http://sava-woodcats.livejournal.com/17900.html Is Russian so I haven't been able to glean any significant information off the post, but the pictures are fairly self explanatory. Though personally, I'd prefer to install a better looking mic like this one off the AR15 forum. Source: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/41..._Comtacs_.html If anyone figures out a parts list and how to wire it up, do share __________________ Just your friendly neighborhood narcissist gearwhore.

January 13th, 2016, 20:00	#15
Cliffradical butthurt for not having a user title Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winnipeg	Looks like a simple splitter to ptt. The better one must have required disassembly of the one cup, a drill through the shell, and figuring out how to seal and clamp it. Very interesting. I love my HL ISs, would be into figuring this out as well. The shoulder 2-way seems like the simplest/ sturdiest option though, so I'ma just do that.

Radio solution for MSA Sordin (non boom mic)

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