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View Poll Results: How popular is the Systema PTW?
I've never heard of a Systema PTW 1 6.25%
I currently use a Systema PTW 10 62.50%
I've used a PTW in the past and moved on 5 31.25%
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Old November 22nd, 2021, 06:07   #1
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Systema PTW Users - Past and Present

I've got a question for the community. Please answer the poll and a few questions below!

I'm trying to gauge how popular the Systema PTW platform is currently in Canada, and how the platform has aged.

If you're currently using a PTW:
  1. When did you first start using a PTW?
  2. Do you have any plans to switch to a different platform? Why?

If you used a PTW in the past and have moved on:
  1. What timeframe did you use a PTW?
  2. Why made you switch to a different platform?

If you never knew about the Systema PTW before reading this thread, please answer "I've never heard of a Systema PTW" in the poll. However, after researching them I would like to know:
  1. Would you consider purchasing a PTW?
  2. What appeals to you about the PTW platform?
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Old November 22nd, 2021, 10:37   #2
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I have my Systema Maxi with 3 round burst since 2006. All stock.
Served me well. No plan to change. Cannot afford the newer high end brands.
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Old November 22nd, 2021, 11:58   #3
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It's missing an option for "I know what a PTW is and there's no way I'm ever going to waste my money on them."
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Old November 23rd, 2021, 14:39   #4
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What's a good used PTW going for now?
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Old November 23rd, 2021, 17:20   #5
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It's missing an option for "I know what a PTW is and there's no way I'm ever going to waste my money on them."
It is fair to say until you hold it in your hands and play a few games, then you're qualified to say "wasting your money".

Otherwise, the rule of "you get what you pay for" always applies.
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Old November 23rd, 2021, 18:30   #6
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It is fair to say until you hold it in your hands and play a few games, then you're qualified to say "wasting your money".

Otherwise, the rule of "you get what you pay for" always applies.
I've played with G&G Aries TM and Systema. Systema was still the best.
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Old November 23rd, 2021, 19:26   #7
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It is fair to say until you hold it in your hands and play a few games, then you're qualified to say "wasting your money".

Otherwise, the rule of "you get what you pay for" always applies.
I respectfully disagree, while I've never owned any, I've used them, and 10+ years ago, yeah, they were the best, but getting them to be as accurate and reliable as today's AEGs is a lot of work. The only thing they really have going for them is that they stop firing when the mag is empty, but again, AEGs are slowly catching up, and now guns like the ASG Scorpion EVO have that feature for about a quarter off the price of a PTW, and magazines are 1/3rd the price of Systemas... Today we have GBB rifles, which are a lot more realistic, and still cheaper than PTWs. PTWs have lost all their advantages over time, and unless Systema pulls a new magical unicorn out of their hat, I don't see them being relevant in the future.
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Old November 23rd, 2021, 20:56   #8
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I respectfully disagree, while I've never owned any, I've used them, and 10+ years ago, yeah, they were the best, but getting them to be as accurate and reliable as today's AEGs is a lot of work. The only thing they really have going for them is that they stop firing when the mag is empty, but again, AEGs are slowly catching up, and now guns like the ASG Scorpion EVO have that feature for about a quarter off the price of a PTW, and magazines are 1/3rd the price of Systemas... Today we have GBB rifles, which are a lot more realistic, and still cheaper than PTWs. PTWs have lost all their advantages over time, and unless Systema pulls a new magical unicorn out of their hat, I don't see them being relevant in the future.
Agreed that now is very different from the past. However, I must say the materials they use and all the fittings are still top notch as per today's standard.

They have just developed a gear box with motor inside. So no more motor inside pistol grips. No matter if this will really work, I respect their R&D effort and spirit much more than those copy cats.
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Been running dubs exclusively since 2008. Presently have 3 in various configurations. Zero plans or desire to switch, they work, every time without fail or maintenance. One of mine has several hundred thousand bb's through it with only a tac'd motor and a mechbox lubrication. Id love to see a normal AEG do that without fail. Only mod's my dubs have are tac'd motors and hopups, thats it.
I've never felt seriously outperformed by an AEG, and while modern tech is able to match it, its still not wildly beating it like some suggest. I will absolutely agree that AEGs have come a long way, and with some time and money can match a dub in trigger response, range, and accuracy for a cheaper price point, i will take my reliability every single day of the week and never think twice.

I would love to try the new infinity mechbox at some point, but presently dont feel the need to spend the money.
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I respectfully disagree, while I've never owned any, I've used them, and 10+ years ago, yeah, they were the best, but getting them to be as accurate and reliable as today's AEGs is a lot of work. The only thing they really have going for them is that they stop firing when the mag is empty, but again, AEGs are slowly catching up, and now guns like the ASG Scorpion EVO have that feature for about a quarter off the price of a PTW, and magazines are 1/3rd the price of Systemas... Today we have GBB rifles, which are a lot more realistic, and still cheaper than PTWs. PTWs have lost all their advantages over time, and unless Systema pulls a new magical unicorn out of their hat, I don't see them being relevant in the future.
Im curious where you are seeing current AEG's as significantly more reliable than dubs, once the motor issue is sorted they basically run decades. Even today most guys on the field i've talked with are all constantly modding, tweaking and maintaining their AEGs to keep reasonable performance.
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Old November 25th, 2021, 04:43   #11
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I've got a question for the community. Please answer the poll and a few questions below!

I'm trying to gauge how popular the Systema PTW platform is currently in Canada, and how the platform has aged.

If you're currently using a PTW:
  1. When did you first start using a PTW?
  2. Do you have any plans to switch to a different platform? Why?

1- 2007
2- No plans to change (although i have other platforms my PTW's are primarily used)

Alot of ptw users in our group still.
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Old November 25th, 2021, 16:07   #12
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Had a lot of different TW platforms, had 2 systemas, miss the sh out of them, been looking for a decently priced one, but no luck.
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