Lots of PTWs at A&A

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

But at $2k+ per gun who in their right mind wouldn't sell 3 or 4 stock Maruis for a PTW? Unless you don't like flexibility, performance, a rock solid gun? I sold 17 other guns to get the ones I have and would do it again in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't. I hate Armalites. Well not so much hate as.....wouldn't want one. So I guess pretty much hate.

[Ronan]

It's true that reliability is nice. To know that even tho the gun was stored 2 month, you take it out and it's going to shoot = nice. But how reliable is it? Do PTW break? What about the dreaded 'oops i feel on my gun and it broke'... does that happen to PTW's or is the metal of much better quality?

[bruce]

PTW owners have broken their receivers. Don't know how but I wouldn't be surprise if it was done by banging it too hard when you try to pop the receivers. Some players use real AR uppers in their PTWs.

You have to watch out for the O-rings in the AEGs if you don't play with them for a long time. Other than that, some of my guns don't see action for a long time but it'll still perform if you take care of them.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by Ronan

It's true that reliability is nice. To know that even tho the gun was stored 2 month, you take it out and it's going to shoot = nice. But how reliable is it? Do PTW break? What about the dreaded 'oops i feel on my gun and it broke'... does that happen to PTW's or is the metal of much better quality?

Every gun can break. They are mechanical devices and as long as there is friction and electrical resistance, things of all types will break. That's a certainty. But when guys have reported 200,000+ rounds at 400 fps with only minimal maintenance, well that's a different story. There is no engineered AEG out there with that kind of durability. One guy here or there may get lucky with alot of rounds through a gun, but as a general rule, those levels of durability aren't seen in any other guns.

That being said, the SCKs are a whole different story. Guys buy them because they want custom trades, want to save a couple of bucks or want the challenge of self-assembly. Well, all manner of problems happen. It became so bad in places like Europe and the U.S., that retailers refused to sell the kits as they had so much trouble with assembly issues. It has become better now that they provide major component pre-assembly in the kits, but there still is risk, especially for the first-time builder.

Systema does not use a CNC'd 7071 aluminum body like what's found on the real gun. That would violate Japanese law and likely we would have an issue with that as well, considering the uppers are quite close in specs and size. The lower is a bit different to accomodate the motor mount as well. Now, considering the body is a cast alloy, it's as susceptable to breakage as another cast alloy body. But you can buy a real upper and do some small mods to make it fit a PTW.

The gearbox shell is CNC'd steel. The cylinder is made from extruded and machined aluminum. All the gear teeth are hardened steel (MAX only). The only maintenance is cleaning the barrel and hop-up (like any other gun) and replacing the nozzle o-ring and piston head o-ring periodically. This take all of about 10 minutes per cylinder with no gearbox disassembly required.

[Gryphon]

I don't know what I find more sickening, the markup that A&A puts on this kind of stuff or the fact that some of you willingly pay it.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

I don't know what I find more sickening, the markup that A&A puts on this kind of stuff or the fact that some of you willingly pay it.

Not this cat. I got likely one of the first MAX guns in Canada, and I paid ALOT less. More in the area of a CA 249 with a couple of box mags, give or take.

Now, well, if you wants, you pays!!

[Gryphon]

*EDIT* Retracted.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Yeah and the maddening thing is with the American dollar as weak as it is, the only excuse for the rape we get on price is greed, pure and simple.

What about importation fees/brokerage/BFL fees etc? Do you think that A&A just gets them in for the same price as the US?
There's that, plus a markup any business will put on a product.

[bruce]

If I had to pay something like A&A full retail plus taxes, I would not have gotten one.

[bruce]

Check the prices out for the PTW mags.

1 mag for $99.95
Box of 6 mags for $599.95

lol

[Omi-san]

Originally Posted by bruce

Check the prices out for the PTW mags.

1 mag for $99.95
Box of 6 mags for $599.95

lol

Other mags don't fit in PTW?

[SDU_Phil]

PTW ONLY uses systema PTW mags

[wey ferro]

Originally Posted by Omi-san

Other mags don't fit in PTW?

haha


i defenitly wouldnt own one if i had to pay aa full prices. but if there is anyone to get one from i'd suggest mark, i had a good experience with him.
best thing ive ever bought.

[shadow_matter]

Honestly, how much of a pain in the ass would it be to get the challenge kit and save $500? In your eyes, is it worth the 500 bones to get a pre-assembled one to avoid the DIY assembly of the product?

[Jayhad]

I am on the block for a PTW shortly, I had put $1900 into my TM AUG (including purchase) and i thought it was awesome until the PTWs started popping up all over Alberta. My AUG shoots 420 FPS with well done upgrades and a 655mm barrel and I get out ranged by the guys using PTWs. It made the decision for me easy. plus I will figure I will never need to buy another outdoor gun again unless I want something different.

And just wait by this time next season a third of the PTW owners will getting out of the sport and floggin their PTWs... at least I hope they will