illegal to buy/sell DND issued CADPAT?

[Drache]

To further confuse the issue, we occasionally encounter "GENUINE-ISSUE CADPAT CLOTHING" on eBay. Here, there are 2 possible sources. The first, is used or defective "seconds" military-issue CADPAT clothing that was mistakenly sold as surplus by Base Supply Organizations who dicked up and did not follow DND direction that any and all non-serviceable CADPAT items are to be "rendered to rags" before selling as scrap. Some Base supply sections did not follow this directive (before getting their pee-pee's soundly slapped), and as a result there IS some genuine DND-issue CADPAT clothing for sale on the open market. It is all either used, or damaged, or otherwise determined to be "non-serviceable" (eg. no suitable for re-issue to a serving soldier). The case in Alberta where Edmonton Garrison sold off many tri-walls of used and defective CADPAT combat clothing to a local entrepreneur and then tried (abortively to claim it back) is a case in point. As a result, there are now many thousands of used and defective genuine-issue CADPAT uniforms available for sale on the open market (eBay included). Good going guys....

The other source of genuine DND-Issue CADPAT available on eBay are uniforms that were stolen directly from the CF supply system. These tend to be the "mint/unissued" uniforms that are offered from time to time, usually by UK or US-based sellers. Why the foreign offerings? Very simple - those who are actively stealing genuine DND-issue CADPAT uniforms and equipment (Tac-Vests, Bivvy Bags, etc) from within the CF supply system know that the Military Police have a mandate to aggressively pursue such breaches of operational security, and therefore flog their stolen goods through off-shore second parties.

It is safe to say that anyone who chooses to purchase a DND-issued item of CADPAT (uniform, Tac Vest, etc) is trafficking in unquestionably stolen goods. As always, conscience contends with opportunity....

A friend of my cousin's who is a soldier stationed in Cold Lake told me that all DND issued CADPAT gear will never be sold as surplus as and as such buying/selling it could get you into a lot of trouble. This all happened after my cousin was found to be in possession of a complete CADPAT BDU, vest, helmet, you name it, the complete kit. It was all given to him about 4 years before. He had 3 MP's come by and ask for the stuff back, including the CADPAT pants he was wearing at the time (at least what he told me).

Can any of the current serving CF members attest to this?

[Styrak]

Yes, selling issued gear is a no-no.

[Drake]

It's "possible" since MPs are considered Peace Officers in Canada. And technically he's in possession of stolen goods, from the CF's perspective.

But at the same time, someone has to have tipped them off. As mentioned, there is some genuine CadPat in circulation, which was purchased from surpluses in Good Faith, so you can't just randomly knock people down who have it.

[Kid]

Best things in life are illegal.

We get our guns through questionable methods and now we get our gear that way too.

Ah, I can remember the time of Greylocks, when everyone was conservative and had insisted on following the law to the T... until they realized it would mean buying Cansoft.

[Drache]

Originally Posted by Drake

It's "possible" since MPs are considered Peace Officers in Canada. And technically he's in possession of stolen goods, from the CF's perspective.

But at the same time, someone has to have tipped them off. As mentioned, there is some genuine CadPat in circulation, which was purchased from surpluses in Good Faith, so you can't just randomly knock people down who have it.

But the only items that seemed to have slipped through were BDU's and not vests, helmets, etc.

Personally I think it's a little BS that they dont surplus CADPAT

[pugs144]

Originally Posted by Drache

Can any of the current serving CF members attest to this?

All true.

[Rugger_can]

Im of the opinion that wearing kit that should be in the hands of our fighting men and women is irresponsible and disrespectful. If you acquired your kit New from a legitimate source then power too you (for example CPGEAR ect..)

Just my opinion though

Cheers

[Gato]

Originally Posted by Drache

Can any of the current serving CF members attest to this?

True as it gets, all that shit in surplus stores "fell off a truck" and didn't get destroyed

[mcguyver]

DND sold a couple containers of issued CADPAT to a surplus shop in Morinville about 4-5 years ago. They didn't realize it until after that the stuff was complete and usable. They tried to get it back, but it was ruled that once they sold it as surplus, it was a done deal. This was the stuff you saw floating around e-Bay and such selling for $700/set back then.

That was the only legal CADPAT sets out there, and I suspect some of them left the country. A&A got some a few years ago, but it was cut up into strips.

[T_A_N_K]

So for buyers knowledge, how does one know if what they buy is properly surplus'ed or not? or what to look for when buying CADPAT legally.

[Drache]

Originally Posted by T_A_N_K

So for buyers knowledge, how does one know if what they buy is properly surplus'ed or not? or what to look for when buying CADPAT legally.

If it looks brand new, it's stolen. Other than that sometimes some surplus dealers have been known to mark their surplus to keep track of it. But beyond that you don't know.

From what I heard though the only stuff surplused was BDU's and no helmets, covers, vests, and such like that.

[H1TMAN]

BDU's are supposed to be destroyed just like everyother CADPAT item when they are beyond repair. Most base clothing stores have an industrial shredder to destory these items.

To end up in a surplus store, the BDU either disappeared from the wearhouse, A soldier sold his kit to the surplus and then filed a lost report to get one back or it could be an imitation that is made from material that did not meet specs. Heck, how do you think a pair of CADPAT boots ended up for sale on ASC where there still on trial.

[Drache]

Originally Posted by H1TMAN

BDU's are supposed to be destroyed just like everyother CADPAT item when they are beyond repair. Most base clothing stores have an industrial shredder to destory these items.

To end up in a surplus store, the BDU either disappeared from the wearhouse, A soldier sold his kit to the surplus and then filed a lost report to get one back or it could be an imitation that is made from material that did not meet specs. Heck, how do you think a pair of CADPAT boots ended up for sale on ASC where there still on trial.

As one of the other members said, a bunch of CADPAT BDU's was accidentally released as surplus. DND knew they made a mistake and technically even though they were released as surplus, they technically still aren't.

That's like going to a pawn shop and buying a stereo that you think is fine but find out later it's stolen. Even though you bought it from the pawn shop not knowing it was stolen, the police can still confiscate as stolen material.

[ex]

I just find it odd that 3 MP's show up at your buddies house to grab gear that's been in his possession for 4 years, and he just happens to be wearing a pair of the pants at the time.

[bean]

I often lounge around my house in cadpat pants. Have you not heard that cadpat is the new dinner wear?