Which M4???

[Long_Bong]

Hi

Which M4 / M16 would you get between the

KWA ERG
WE Katana
Bolt M4

And why?

Thanks for your knowledge

[EOD Steve]

WE Katana - No.
As for the others, that has been discussed ad nauseum, unless there's some new information that has come to light within the past year for either of these systems which I'm not aware of:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=166571


http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=162893

[Ricochet]

Katana, as long as the proper mods and maintenance is done. Why? Well, because of quick change FPS.

Seriously though, I'd forgo all of those for a VFC.

[EOD Steve]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

Katana, as long as the proper mods and maintenance is done. Why? Well, because of quick change FPS.

Seriously though, I'd forgo all of those for a VFC.

But if that's the case, why not ICS? They've been in that game for what must be a decade by now.

But yes I agree, VFC over all of those.

[joker2168]

+1 VFC

[Kungpow]

Originally Posted by Long_Bong

Hi

Which M4 / M16 would you get between the

KWA ERG
WE Katana
Bolt M4

And why?

Thanks for your knowledge

I see you really want recoil in a AEG. Well if thats a factor, I heard the Bolt has the most amount of felt recoil. KWA ERG has special mags for a bolt stop effect. TM has guns that look nice... the recoil is lower on the scale.

[Ricochet]

I have never been impressed by ICS. There's been a few good ones, but they didn't do anything good with that. Quick change isn't a reason alone to buy a gun and I'm not an ICS fan in general. Even though the WE needs some work, their tech is a little more modern.

[lurkingknight]

very rarely do you ever need to use the QC spring.... it's more likely you have a 2nd gun set to a lower fps. lol. Works better cause you have a backup gun for when the other one breaks. Also changing springs over and over is a pain in the ass.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by EOD Steve

But if that's the case, why not ICS? They've been in that game for what must be a decade by now.

But yes I agree, VFC over all of those.

Because PTW cylinder > ICS split gearbox.

I have a buddy that is an early adopter of the Katana, Out every weekend playing and plinking. Probably 3x 1kg bags of BBs a week he goes through including shooting and playing in winters out in Edmonton. Not one stripped piston, never replaced single part going on year three.

Not any cylinder components have been replaced, gear train is still stock, 11.1 lipo with lonex titan A1. His backup gun is a spring bolt gun, never seen it used since he bought it.

In my opinion quick spring change / cylinder isn't for velocity changes, it's for making maintenance and cleaning easier.

Can't say that with any of the other guns listed in my experience.

[BioRage]

For ERG, get the bolt if you plan on running mid/high caps.

Get the RM4 if you want beautiful externals, and the ability to run 30/60 caps, with the ability to run mid caps aswell.

[Long_Bong]

So VFC is still the best around short of systema??

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[pestobanana]

Originally Posted by Long_Bong

So VFC is still the best around short of systema??

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A stock vfc will probably last longer than a stock Systema lol. AEG platform is riddled with flaws, but the PTW platform is hugely flawed as well.

WE Katana is also a terrible platform. One singular Katana that lasted a long time doesn't negate the fact that WE internals are craptastic. Motor angle is wrong, gear spacing seems off, overall construction is not good.

ERG is okay, it's just harder to install a MOSFET in. I've figured out a way to install a MOSFET inside its gearbox, but that was a pain in the ass.

VFC is still the best AEG AR platform.

[Chromey]

I still argue that VFC is the Best bang for your Buck.
Stock Vrs Stock Sure, They win.

When the upgrade game begins, They Fall short.

Starting price Vs Starting prices, VFC is winning, In the bad way.

But like everything I have learned in Airsoft, Its 90% based on Opinions.

[chaz]

Originally Posted by Chromey

I still argue that VFC is the Best bang for your Buck.
Stock Vrs Stock Sure, They win.

When the upgrade game begins, They Fall short.

Starting price Vs Starting prices, VFC is winning, In the bad way.

But like everything I have learned in Airsoft, Its 90% based on Opinions.

And the rest have learned that some opinions are not worth shit

[Ricochet]

VFC is certainly not the best bang for your buck, they're more expensive than almost all standard AEG brands. VFC is solid out of the box, great reliability and good realism/quality. If you're having issues come upgrade time then you're the problem and not the gun. VFC is arguably the best variation of the old Marui system. Still a normal AEG, but worth it to get off on the right foot.

Best bang for your buck is the G&G lineup. $200 buys you a reasonable starter with proper tolerances and compatibility. Nothing special, but totally stable and upgradable. At $200, who can complain?

Systema is far from terribly flawed. Terribly flawed would describe any gun still based on the Tokyo Marui gearbox system and most GBBRs. Systema has one flaw, it's motor. Not the motor's design or engineering, but it's assembly. Specifically the armature winding. Luckily we have an excellent fix/mod for that. A real flaw would be not having a proper fix/mod for a problem (ARES!!!), requiring a hose and tank to run your "not paintball gun", your FPS swinging or magazines dumping because of temperature change, inability to reach a 200' plus and consistent shot, or being a clone that doesn't accept upgrade parts well enough to make it worth it.