systema mp5

[manchovie]

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/2217
it's coming guys, i'm pretty excited about this baby. 980$ price tag is VERY nice.

[mcguyver]

So, it will still be $2000 here. No word on selectable quick-change cylinders, but from the external pics, doesn't look likely. To me, it looks like it will be a hybrid between a standard AEG and the current PTW format. Electronic control + Ver 2 gearbox.

I'll reserve final judgement until the first 300 have been dispersed and someone does a tear-down review so we see what on the inside. The outside finish means nothing.

[HaZarD SFD]

Most likely it will be the same internal design as the M4/M16 but the cylinder change out does look like it wont be an option on this model unless you tear the unit down.. unless you can remove the rear stock and pop the body a bit and swap em?

[Mantelope]

I don't know why you guys think that a quick cylinder change is impossible or even unlikely. On the real one, the stock comes off with a single pin and the lower hinges down allowing access to the trigger group. Voila, perfect cylinder access.

[Kokanee]

Originally Posted by Mantelope

I don't know why you guys think that a quick cylinder change is impossible or even unlikely. On the real one, the stock comes off with a single pin and the lower hinges down allowing access to the trigger group. Voila, perfect cylinder access.

+1, couldn't say it better myself. Bonus if they manage to shoehorn the same cylinder as the M4 into the MP5 so the user doesn't have to buy more cylinders.

I'll most likely cave and get one after I get back from overseas and am flush w/ blood money...

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

So, it will still be $2000 here.

That angers me. I'd love to see a very specific, no-bullshit, breakdown of exactly why the costs double when the guns hit Canadian soil. I know it has something to do with the obscene amount of money retailers have to pay to become licenced to import props, but aside from that I don't see anything other than ridiculous markup.

No offence to our retailers, as they are bloody godsends to the sport in Canada and we definitely need more of them, but I'd like to be paying closer to US prices for this equipment.

Hell, I can buy REAL STEAL for cheaper. I have a Norinco M14 on its way that I paid $400 for, and an 840 that I paid $300 for!

[ThunderCactus]

Originally Posted by Wilson

That angers me. I'd love to see a very specific, no-bullshit, breakdown of exactly why the costs double when the guns hit Canadian soil.

1: Licenses cost money, lots of money
2: Businesses need to MAKE money
3: Import fees, its hard to import stuff when you have more flags on your profile than the united nations
4: More work load = requirement for LESS business = higher prices

There ya go!

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

1: Licenses cost money, lots of money
2: Businesses need to MAKE money
3: Import fees, its hard to import stuff when you have more flags on your profile than the united nations
4: More work load = requirement for LESS business = higher prices

There ya go!

Many thanks.

[Sergeantmajor]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

1: Licenses cost money, lots of money
2: Businesses need to MAKE money
3: Import fees, its hard to import stuff when you have more flags on your profile than the united nations
4: More work load = requirement for LESS business = higher prices

There ya go!

Like those haven't been paid for? how long have they been open? plenty of time to pay those.

I hate to see airsoft guns costing more then their real steal counter parts.

[Schwag]

I want one. But why does it have to have that awful full stock. Mp5s are best with sliding stock.

[Ronan]

Originally Posted by Schwag

I want one. But why does it have to have that awful full stock. Mp5s are best with sliding stock.

Because of the battery?...

[mcguyver]

There is so much different in the MP5 from an AR platform. Think of hoe the motor mounts in the AR, to the lower directly, not the gearbox or the grip. In the MP5, it will have to mount to the gearbox or the grip. This will be a fundemental change in gearbox design and durability, just like between a Ver 2 and 3 in a Marui.

Kumi Yoshida has released info that the MP5 is the best PTW yet, according to her, but that remains to be seen. They would be smart to use existing components for all the internals, but I don't see that being possible. The MP5 cosmetically and structurally are too different, both in the real and airsoft, to have all of their components interchangable. Consider even the electronics, to have both full and burst, you can't do it with the design of a PTW currently without the addition of a switch at the very least. So, have they added another selector switch to make 3 instead of 2 used in the AR platform? This would require either different switches or a different gerabox to accomodate a 3rd switch.

You see how quickly this changes the mechanics of the gun?

And to remove the stock on a real MP5, you need a flat blade screwdriver or similar tool. Do this in the bush, in low-light, without a retained pin, good luck. You don't need any tools with the AR series and their pin is retained. Takedown will need to be done in a safe zone or similar area to be effective.

Like I said, I'll reserve final judgement until it shows up, but we won't see them in Canada until late spring early summer at the earliest, and more info will flow out about them before then.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Schwag

I want one. But why does it have to have that awful full stock. Mp5s are best with sliding stock.

Battery. Beany A series forend doesn't hold much of a battery.

[ColtFarmer]

BUILD A LIPO INTO THE SKIN, jesus do i have to think of everything ??

[Kos-Mos]

Originally Posted by ColtFarmer

BUILD A LIPO INTO THE SKIN, jesus do i have to think of everything ??

And then you will lose an arm if you ever are shot on the said arm... reminds me of CoD4... when you unlock the option to drop a nade when you are dead.