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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:01   #1
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Is there any good airsoft green gas pistols out there?

What is the most reliable, durabe, realistic green gas full metal pistol out there?
I'm talking here about a pistol that will never fail, something that can be litteraly trown around, tossed around, dropped, etc. Basicaly something that wont break but that is still realistic and full meta of course. ( I'm not planning to trow my guns around)

give me your thoughts.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:11   #2
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Kj works are reliable in my experience but that being said nothing will last a constant beating, even if u treat it good u will have to do maintenance at some point, but I got two kjw a m9 co2 and 1911 green gas both been working great.

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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:22   #3
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just be advised that there's no brand that will never fail... even a TM can break down. Guns are just like cars... you use them, expect them to break at some point...

KSC/KWA pistols are good but spare parts are hard to get
KJW, on the other hand are easy to find replacement parts if they break
same thing for the TM ones... except they are plastic/abs... but damn good pistols!
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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:23   #4
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this is airsoft. shit breaks.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:40   #5
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this is airsoft. shit breaks.
exactly, it doesn't matter what kind of airsoft it is the sooner you can accept that it's a toy and toys break the less heartache it will be when your $2000 uber elite race gun snapped in half. If anyone tells you there is a indestructible airsoft gun out there he/she is feeding you the biggest pile of shit around, some of us myself included have seen everything that has come out in the last 20years and I have yet to see a indestructible airsoft gun. some came close but not close enough.

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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:53   #6
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The only one that doesn't break is the one you use as a display piece.

I have a PTW body who's motor mount broke and have seen ones that have gone down.

With a good maintenance schedule you can make it last longer but it will still eventually break internally, or if you're too hard on it break externally as well. Think of a bike, you still have to do maintenance on it every so often and there are maintenance schedules based on the mileage you put on.

If you want something that's fairly durable and requires longer maintenance intervals get a TM and slap on an FMU kit on it (beware you're going to get lower gas efficiency due to the increased weight of the FMU kit), a KJW, or a KWA/KSC.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 11:10   #7
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with the cost of TMs (well big buzz is helping with this lately) I don't find it economically sound to buy an ABS TM pistol in country for 2-3x the price of what it costs in japan, to spend another pistols worth of money on a metal upgrade kit, with mags; when you can just buy a KJW which is about 90% TM compatible already full metal and does just as well out of the box.

That's just me though, people can spend their money however they want. But comparing the TM 5-7 I just bought with the KWA 226 I already have, the kwa worked fine out of the box and had no issues, whereas the TM using propane is operating far out of its design specs, and will break sooner rather than later, even with all the mods I've done to it to try and stave off the inevitable.

If another manufacturer came out with a propane/gg ready 5-7 I'd buy it in an instant.

kwa pistols are great, and their parts are not that hard to find, just get them from kwa usa. Upgrade parts are a bit more rare, but what do you really need to upgrade on a pistol? with .28s my kwa 226 will shoot straight out to 50m, far more than I need in a secondary.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 15:09   #8
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KWA, mine has fallen out of my holster onto rocks, cement, a road... Rear sight shot off and then screwed back on... Gun got so dirty at a game that BBs turned brown before they got half way down the mag, and I ran it for the rest of the day with no cycling issues. KWA GBBs are pretty tanky.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 16:39   #9
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KJW and KWA are the way to go in my opinion. I have a KJW P226 and KWA HK45, both are great guns but my preference between either is the HK45. It manages gas better with its NS2 system, and overall great performance.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 16:43   #10
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What is the most reliable, durabe, realistic green gas full metal pistol out there?
I'm talking here about a pistol that will never fail, something that can be litteraly trown around, tossed around, dropped, etc. Basicaly something that wont break but that is still realistic and full meta of course. ( I'm not planning to trow my guns around)

give me your thoughts.
Tokyo Marui 1911 Series. Leave it as completely stock, plastic guns, and you will be able to beat these things senseless, but they'll keep coming back for more.

If a part does wear down or break, the Tokyo Marui 1911 and Hi-Capa series has the greatest aftermarket support on the market, with very few other platforms coming close to comparison. Anything else is a very distant second place in terms of support and ability to find replacement parts.

I've had a number of them come across my workbench that had tens of thousands of rounds put through them for cleaning/maintenance/tune up, but they were still functioning fine, despite the amount of dirt inside and general wear on them.


KSC/KWA guns are decent, but engineering-wise, they have a number of flaws. For one, their hop up rubber is extremely sensitive to the lubricants we use. Funny enough, they are highly reactive to silicone oil, and it's always been standard practice to keep a handful of backup rubbers on hand to replace them over time.

Secondly, their hop up system is not very precise. Performance wise, their groupings tend to be much larger than Tokyo Marui's. KSC/KWA guns do have very hard kicking blowback though, and are very solid built guns overall. However, aftermarket support is limited, which is one of the main reasons I would still prefer Tokyo Marui for my own personal armoury. I deal with the KWA Pro Shop a lot, and while they're a great source for getting stock parts, I find that more often than not, parts that I need are out of stock with long backorder time spans.

I do own a few KSC products, so I don't have a complete aversion to them, and like them overall. But Tokyo Marui will always be my preferred choice. As a direct comparison, the Tokyo Marui MP7 is miles ahead of the KSC/KWA version in terms of build quality, heft, material feel, accuracy, range, and blowback power.

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Old September 24th, 2013, 16:44   #11
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+1 for KWA. Also parts are easy to get for KWA, from their pro shop.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 18:46   #12
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Not that I would disagree about anything regarding TM's, but they aren't all that easy to come across, and they come with the price.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 18:52   #13
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I'll agree on the difficulty of finding them. Even I have a hard time getting my hands on them at times.

As for the price... you get what you pay for... most of the time. Don't buy Inokatsu. LOL.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 19:01   #14
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what about western arms, why hasnt this been suggested? or am i missing something after being gone a while?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 19:06   #15
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Tokyo Marui. Not full metal, but the most reliable performer you can buy. KWA is decent for the cost, but also ABS.
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