Steyr aug vs. Famas

Keir Forget · June 12th, 2005, 00:04

Theres a lot of information to take in here but basically i'm getting that people don't like the Famas.

Quote:

EXPECT to pay about 1000-1500

BUT I DON'T WANNA!!! I have about seventy five cents, will that do?

Lex · June 12th, 2005, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Keir Forget

Quote:

EXPECT to pay about 1000-1500

BUT I DON'T WANNA!!! I have about seventy five cents, will that do?

Um, no. No it will not.

You have any body parts your willing to part with though?
:grin:

rat · June 12th, 2005, 00:54

no really, expect to spend that much...you will learn that if you cheap out it will bite you in the ass one way or another...sorry if this comes as bad news to you, but hey, this is how it is...we are all in the same boat...

The Saint · June 12th, 2005, 01:02

I'm cheaping my way out with a shotty instead of an AEG. I have a feeling that I'll get a misfeed and broken tri-nozzle the first time I fire at a hostile.

the end · June 12th, 2005, 01:53

i must say go with the AUG its an all around good weapon, but for your first airsoft you may wanna go with an armalite type or maybe mp5, but its up to you.

Drake · June 12th, 2005, 02:17

Ignore the stuff about the FAMAS breaking down and being hard to upgrade; people who've never owned 'em talk out their ass (RAS_Jackson's post was good and informative though, so pay attention to his). The V1 mechbox is built more solidly than the V2, and for Canadian field limits it'll support decent upgrades.

I've posted stuff about upgrading the FAMAS in other sections, but here it is again in a nutshell since I feel sorry for you getting bombarded with so much misinformation:

Bushings: you can use Systema v2/v3 ones, but they're a tight fit.

Springs: I have a PDI 140% in mine and it barely affected ROF. I'd avoid going much higher than PDI 150% or equiv., since a replacement mechbox is hard to find. I feel 140% is an entirely 'safe' upgrade (for the gears, mechbox, etc; I've never had any problems with it, after several years)

Gears: There's Systema flat cut (Flat cut == stock design) FAMAS/V1 gears, which you can sometimes find at HK shops. I don't use em, the mild upgrade doesn't warrant it. As for specialized cut gears (torque up, high speed), stock they're already a high speed design, and you don't need torque up for such a mild spring upgrade (it'd just mess up the ROF)

Pistons & Piston heads: v2/v3 work fine. I use a systema polycarb piston, and a systema aluminum piston head.

Inner barrel can be swapped for a tightbore. Some people use G3 barrels cuz they're just a few millimeters shorter; others prefer cutting down M16 barrels cuz they're easier to come by. Some people bore out a bit of the outer barrel so they can use full length M16 barrels (more work, I can't notice any advantage to it).

Hop packings are standard v2/v3 type. But you have to pretty much strip down the entire gun to get to it.

Most of the other stuff in the mechbox is V1 parts only.

You'll also hear people spew stuff about the motor being old an inferior cuz it was the first design (EG560): this is also totally wrong, unless you're buying some vintage 10 year old AEG. Later models use an EG560HT (high torque) motor, which performs similarly to the EG700. In doesnt in all respects, but it does when compared with the types of upgrades you'd be using in the FAMAS, so for all intents and purposes, similar.

Cons: the biggest con, as RAS_Jackson pointed out, is it feels poorly constructed out of the box. You get a lot of loose plastic on plastic squeeks. So one of the first tasks at hand when you get one is to disassemble the body and strategically place some electrical tape to buffer out the frame. This makes everything quiet, and it feels much tighter and more solid.

Other con is most of the screws screw directly into plastic (!), so its easy to mess up the threads bigtime if you aren't careful, and then yo're in a world of shit cuz you can't reassemble your body properly.

Biggest con, in your case... the gun isn't noob friendly. As can be witnessed in this and other threads, a lot of people who are usually knowledgeable about AEGs don't have a clue what's going on when it comes to the FAMAS, so finding help can be a problem.

On the other hand, the AUG feels sturdy as a rock out of the box, and the design is easier to work on. There are also more after market parts and conversion kits available, depending on what you plan on doing. Personally I dislike the optics in the Mil model, so I'd recommend the RT version (the one with the optics rail) and you can mount a red dot or whatever optics you choose.

It doesn't have the mad ROF the FAMAS has, but the high ROF can be annoying (even upgraded, my famas puts out 6-8 BBs in a half second burst).

The stock AUG also seems more accurate, and as with the M16A2 and AK47, it can hold its own [stock] against lightly upgraded AEGs.

RAS_Jackson · June 12th, 2005, 03:20

Please keep in mind when i say "Bad ass upgrades" i look at the external options. There a some crazy options out there, First Factory, GG, GP. I consider a FAMAS an Mp5ish sized AEG. (i would even attempt to snipe with it, even upgraded) Personally i would play up front with that type of AEG so internal upgrades i wouldnt be too concerned about.

Like i said you want to be a sniper and play back, look at the AUG as a first choice. Because you cant expect to run to fast with a 50 pound gun thats a meter long.

One_Zero · June 12th, 2005, 04:33

They ve said it before and I ll say it again, if you come out to a CIA game you will see all types of guns (stock and upgraded). We do not mind if you wanna shoot a few. We play alot of forest games so you need range and accuracy rather than speed. A sturdy gun that is light enough to lug through the woods all day. Some thing easy to upgrade, and as previously stated be prepared to shell out the dough I think HGI was saying recently he spent nearly $ 1800 to upgrade his M4 fully and counting!!!!

nic_s · June 12th, 2005, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick

wow everyone is so clueless.
Aug is a version 3

A friend of mine says his AUG has a Ver.6 in it. I didn't think that was the case either but I guess some AUGs did come equipped with a Ver.6.

Keir Forget · June 14th, 2005, 19:22

I have decided that I want a Steyr Aug much more. Thanks all. Any more additional information would be much appreciated.

attack-beaver · June 14th, 2005, 19:37

this may give you some more info if you want it http://www.airsoftunlimited.airsoftc...wtopic.php?t=4
ths website has 2 to 7 reviews on alomst every AEG made. just scolle down and find AUG reviews and read away.

Shinjin_MC · June 14th, 2005, 19:59

aug sounds freakin cool when you work the bolt
:nod:

gandar · June 14th, 2005, 20:03

Yeah, a nice solid action and the "shhschink" sound it makes when it slides is great. I love it. Nice solid feel, one of the more realistic feeling guns out of the box IMO. I wouldn't trade it for all the tea. As soon as I get my new gears I'll be rockin'... I might look at a tightbore for it down the road too.

Duckman · June 15th, 2005, 02:00

hey guys..dotn forget the you can field strip the aug down to 3 pcs mid fight if you ever get a jam. i have one adn it's awsome as soon as you get the hop up right. and it's stock.

Man Solo · June 15th, 2005, 13:14

Version 3 one of the best gearboxes for both strength and upgradability

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June 12th, 2005, 01:02	#19
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	I'm cheaping my way out with a shotty instead of an AEG. I have a feeling that I'll get a misfeed and broken tri-nozzle the first time I fire at a hostile. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

June 12th, 2005, 02:17	#21
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	Ignore the stuff about the FAMAS breaking down and being hard to upgrade; people who've never owned 'em talk out their ass (RAS_Jackson's post was good and informative though, so pay attention to his). The V1 mechbox is built more solidly than the V2, and for Canadian field limits it'll support decent upgrades. I've posted stuff about upgrading the FAMAS in other sections, but here it is again in a nutshell since I feel sorry for you getting bombarded with so much misinformation: Bushings: you can use Systema v2/v3 ones, but they're a tight fit. Springs: I have a PDI 140% in mine and it barely affected ROF. I'd avoid going much higher than PDI 150% or equiv., since a replacement mechbox is hard to find. I feel 140% is an entirely 'safe' upgrade (for the gears, mechbox, etc; I've never had any problems with it, after several years) Gears: There's Systema flat cut (Flat cut == stock design) FAMAS/V1 gears, which you can sometimes find at HK shops. I don't use em, the mild upgrade doesn't warrant it. As for specialized cut gears (torque up, high speed), stock they're already a high speed design, and you don't need torque up for such a mild spring upgrade (it'd just mess up the ROF) Pistons & Piston heads: v2/v3 work fine. I use a systema polycarb piston, and a systema aluminum piston head. Inner barrel can be swapped for a tightbore. Some people use G3 barrels cuz they're just a few millimeters shorter; others prefer cutting down M16 barrels cuz they're easier to come by. Some people bore out a bit of the outer barrel so they can use full length M16 barrels (more work, I can't notice any advantage to it). Hop packings are standard v2/v3 type. But you have to pretty much strip down the entire gun to get to it. Most of the other stuff in the mechbox is V1 parts only. You'll also hear people spew stuff about the motor being old an inferior cuz it was the first design (EG560): this is also totally wrong, unless you're buying some vintage 10 year old AEG. Later models use an EG560HT (high torque) motor, which performs similarly to the EG700. In doesnt in all respects, but it does when compared with the types of upgrades you'd be using in the FAMAS, so for all intents and purposes, similar. Cons: the biggest con, as RAS_Jackson pointed out, is it feels poorly constructed out of the box. You get a lot of loose plastic on plastic squeeks. So one of the first tasks at hand when you get one is to disassemble the body and strategically place some electrical tape to buffer out the frame. This makes everything quiet, and it feels much tighter and more solid. Other con is most of the screws screw directly into plastic (!), so its easy to mess up the threads bigtime if you aren't careful, and then yo're in a world of shit cuz you can't reassemble your body properly. Biggest con, in your case... the gun isn't noob friendly. As can be witnessed in this and other threads, a lot of people who are usually knowledgeable about AEGs don't have a clue what's going on when it comes to the FAMAS, so finding help can be a problem. On the other hand, the AUG feels sturdy as a rock out of the box, and the design is easier to work on. There are also more after market parts and conversion kits available, depending on what you plan on doing. Personally I dislike the optics in the Mil model, so I'd recommend the RT version (the one with the optics rail) and you can mount a red dot or whatever optics you choose. It doesn't have the mad ROF the FAMAS has, but the high ROF can be annoying (even upgraded, my famas puts out 6-8 BBs in a half second burst). The stock AUG also seems more accurate, and as with the M16A2 and AK47, it can hold its own [stock] against lightly upgraded AEGs. __________________

June 12th, 2005, 03:20	#22
RAS_Jackson Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Calgary Alberta	Please keep in mind when i say "Bad ass upgrades" i look at the external options. There a some crazy options out there, First Factory, GG, GP. I consider a FAMAS an Mp5ish sized AEG. (i would even attempt to snipe with it, even upgraded) Personally i would play up front with that type of AEG so internal upgrades i wouldnt be too concerned about. Like i said you want to be a sniper and play back, look at the AUG as a first choice. Because you cant expect to run to fast with a 50 pound gun thats a meter long. __________________ www.rangersairsoft.com

June 12th, 2005, 00:54	#18
rat Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal, PQ	no really, expect to spend that much...you will learn that if you cheap out it will bite you in the ass one way or another...sorry if this comes as bad news to you, but hey, this is how it is...we are all in the same boat...

June 12th, 2005, 04:33	#23
One_Zero Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: nanaimo	They ve said it before and I ll say it again, if you come out to a CIA game you will see all types of guns (stock and upgraded). We do not mind if you wanna shoot a few. We play alot of forest games so you need range and accuracy rather than speed. A sturdy gun that is light enough to lug through the woods all day. Some thing easy to upgrade, and as previously stated be prepared to shell out the dough I think HGI was saying recently he spent nearly $ 1800 to upgrade his M4 fully and counting!!!!

June 14th, 2005, 19:22	#25
Keir Forget Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo	I have decided that I want a Steyr Aug much more. Thanks all. Any more additional information would be much appreciated.

June 14th, 2005, 19:37	#26
attack-beaver Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: calgary	this may give you some more info if you want it http://www.airsoftunlimited.airsoftc...wtopic.php?t=4 ths website has 2 to 7 reviews on alomst every AEG made. just scolle down and find AUG reviews and read away.

June 14th, 2005, 19:59	#27
Shinjin_MC Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: sauga, on	aug sounds freakin cool when you work the bolt :nod:

June 14th, 2005, 20:03	#28
gandar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sault Ste. Syberia, ON	Yeah, a nice solid action and the "shhschink" sound it makes when it slides is great. I love it. Nice solid feel, one of the more realistic feeling guns out of the box IMO. I wouldn't trade it for all the tea. As soon as I get my new gears I'll be rockin'... I might look at a tightbore for it down the road too. __________________ Ubique Quo Fas et Gloria Ducunt Alternatively, I could just light you on fire. - Me

June 15th, 2005, 02:00	#29
Duckman Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: toronto	hey guys..dotn forget the you can field strip the aug down to 3 pcs mid fight if you ever get a jam. i have one adn it's awsome as soon as you get the hop up right. and it's stock.

June 15th, 2005, 13:14	#30
Man Solo Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto	Version 3 one of the best gearboxes for both strength and upgradability __________________ Paying also sufficent attention to third personell.

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