FPS Question

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by CamoGames

I am looking for some input from players on FPS limits for CQB.

I would like to know what you think the FPS should be for CQB. What limit are you willing to play at? how high? and should full face masks be optional?

Thank you

+1 to everything said. i've played CQB in Asia at 550 FPS and it's NOT pleasant being hit in unprotected area's.

Mandatory Eye protection,
I suggest 350-400 with .2 BB's


PS. Do you have a waiver form in place for your facility?

[CamoGames]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

+1 to everything said. i've played CQB in Asia at 550 FPS and it's NOT pleasant being hit in unprotected area's.

Mandatory Eye protection,
I suggest 350-400 with .2 BB's


PS. Do you have a waiver form in place for your facility?

Yes I do, and thank you for your thoughts on this topic. I operate this facility for Airsoft, and another for Reball, and still another for Paintball.

[Zekk05]

We've been using 350fps in our indoor arena in Winnipeg for the past 2 or 3 years without a single serious injury. And this isnt seasoned airsofters playing, this is walk ins off the street ages 16 and up. Go there on a Friday or Saturday night and you could see a good half dozen girls per game too.

I dont know what would possess anyone to NOT wear a facemask in a CQB game, regardless of FPS. Thats just plain irresponsible, but that shouldnt be used as an arguement to set the max FPS to a point where not even a stock CA gun is legal.

[AXe Hound]

IMO:CQB games should have all people using full face masks because at that close of a rang and with new people no matter what FPS limit is people are going to get injured and that looks bad for your business and for the new people playing most likely wont com back

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by CamoGames

I'm not sure what to think. Over 85 people have viewed this topic and 4 have replied. It's a subject that everyone that plays CQB has to deal with.

Either most feel this is a stupid question, or I've asked it wrong. Can someone tell me what I did wrong here?

You have neither asked a stupid question, nor have you asked it wrong....Your third option is that the answer has been given and each of the 85 plus people all agree on the 350 fps with 0.20 weight BBs and see it as redundant to keep posting on the subject.

Originally Posted by Nihil

Full face mask.
320 fps tops.
some even use semi only.

I'v really damaged peoples faces with 350 from 3 meters away...

350 is our accepted CQB limit, but 320 fps and full face mask would be very acceptable restrictions for people who are completely new to the sport (just introduced to airsoft, lacking trigger control, or being just a little to gungho).

Better to be safe and fun, than sorry and face any type of bad blood issues.

SHA DO

[The Saint]

We ran a series of CQB games this winter here in Kitchener. Under 350fps, mercy optional, full mask optional, auto allowed. No injuries other than welts.

As to why not mandatory full mask? Same reason why it's not mandatory at outdoor fields even though the guns are even hotter: you can't bring most guns up to your face with a full mask on. I got enough hits to the face that I eventually made a cut-down mask just to protect the nose and mouth, but I still wouldn't use a full mask for CQB. Teeths can be replaced, eyes can't.

[Zekk05]

I dunno about you, but I can bring my gun up to my face just fine with my mask on! (and still aim!)

[paranoid987]

350 FPS with 0.20g, Eye protection mandatory, full face mask optional.

[Maverick0]

Originally Posted by paranoid987

350 FPS with 0.20g, Eye protection mandatory, full face mask optional.

+1

[Mantelope]

Mercy hasn't been discussed much, but if you're KEEPING a 10-15ft mercy rule, there's no reason why the FPS limit shouldn't be 400; this is what always puzzled me about certain CQB games having even GREATER mercy limits than outdoor games while maintaining a lower FPS limit.

If you can stand 400FPS at 15ft, you can ABSOLUTELY stand 350FPS at point-blank.

[Apoc_]

I put in my say on MAA, but I"ll repeat here for the benefit of whoever may benefit from it: 350 FPS with .2 and full face mask optional. I agree that adults should be able to choose the mask or not, but also be adult enough to accept the damages that could result. It's airsoft, a little pain is included in the admission price. Since I can't control the actions of the other players, my actions include properly protecting my face.

[Amos]

350 FPS, Full auto, It's your face; Don't get mad when I accidentally shoot your teeth out if you're not wearing a full face mask.

[Ronan]

Originally Posted by Mantelope

Mercy hasn't been discussed much, but if you're KEEPING a 10-15ft mercy rule, there's no reason why the FPS limit shouldn't be 400; this is what always puzzled me about certain CQB games having even GREATER mercy limits than outdoor games while maintaining a lower FPS limit.

If you can stand 400FPS at 15ft, you can ABSOLUTELY stand 350FPS at point-blank.

Because shit happens like a new player accidentally spraying someone that startled him.

[Mantelope]

Originally Posted by Ronan

Because shit happens like a new player accidentally spraying someone that startled him.

What part of my post are you referring to? Mercy limits don't actually stop newbies from going full auto point-blank; it could definitely be argued that no-mercy CQB games are safer than regular outdoor games with a mercy rule.

[Maverick0]

I think he was commenting on this: "there's no reason why the FPS limit shouldn't be 400".

The question here is also depending on the facility. CamoGames has stated that there are hallways as long as 160 ft. in his facility. Even a 400 fps shot will have lost quite a bit of energy by the time it reaches a target ~100 ft away.

I would say that 400 is probably OK as a maximum, but to err on the side of caution would be better for this 'trial run' and go with 350. Remember, it's not like everybody's guns are tuned to be just under these numbers, some people have guns that shoot less than 300 and keep them that way so as to not affect an already excellent performance.

To those who would not play if we had an imposed maximum of 350 fps: Have you played at these velocities before? Even if you have and had a bad experience, please consider giving it a shot for the sake of having one massive, awesome, time of your life type of cqb game. And yes, pun very much so intended....

I think 350, full auto, full face protection optional and eye wear mandatory are some sound rules.