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Riko October 19th, 2010 11:33

Scar stock - SSR (Sniper Support Rifle)
 
wouldn't it be nice if you could buy this for airsoft scar? :)
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020835.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020854.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020853.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020831.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020843.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020845.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020846.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020847.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020844.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020850.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020858.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1020859.jpg


http://www.snowfella-modworks.com/pics/P1020840.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/_mk17_ssr_02bz98.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/_mk17_ssr_015awc.jpg

I already have a sniper set up for my scar (just need a real sniper bipod)
http://users.telenet.be/erikoo/GBB/s...20scar%209.jpg
But that stock would complete it! :cool:


Where would or could you get such a stock and would it fit on airsoft rifles?
To be more precies a WE gbb Scar (not an AEG)

Sim123456 October 19th, 2010 11:39

I would like WE to make the whole SCAR, I would definitively buy a third SCAR! The stock looks better then the "shoe" stock!

Steven October 19th, 2010 11:42

I agree, looks awesome, but i've never seen this before in any store ive looked in. And whats with so many tones of gold?

Riko October 19th, 2010 11:52

fyi thats a real life scar, not airsoft :) that explains the gold color I think + the fact that the quality of the pics are top notch.

Also, it seems that this particular sniper variant of the scar is just out....maybe that is why you can't find it right away, let alone for airsoft.

But I will look out for it, maybe some day they will sell this kind of stock seperate :)
But I bet it would cost as much as a WE Scar rifle :o

Blackthorne October 19th, 2010 12:06

LOL..saw a prototype at SHOT last year. You can't even get one of those for a real SCAR.. :D

SniperSam October 19th, 2010 12:11

YouTube - Airsoft GI - VFC SCAR-H SSR Full Metal Sniper Rifle AEG

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...fm3g4ugbbts4k1
Ive actually seen this in action at an airsoft game; I dont very much like it, but it delivers

Daiviet October 19th, 2010 12:12

We're talking about the stock, not the gun

Riko October 19th, 2010 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackthorne (Post 1335007)
LOL..saw a prototype at SHOT last year. You can't even get one of those for a real SCAR.. :D

fuck :)

but will that sniper variant itself come out? or will this stay a prototype?

Assault Pioneer October 19th, 2010 12:24

that sure does solve the scar's ugly "leg and foot" stock look. whenever I see a scar I have the urge to put a sock on the stock just cause of that foot it has

Riko October 19th, 2010 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSam (Post 1335019)
YouTube - Airsoft GI - VFC SCAR-H SSR Full Metal Sniper Rifle AEG

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...fm3g4ugbbts4k1
Ive actually seen this in action at an airsoft game; I dont very much like it, but it delivers

yeah, like a bash of different kinds of scars from real life.

cause in real life you have these 3 types:
mk16/ light:
http://www.fnhusa.com/mil/products/f...054&gid=FNG020

mk17/ heavy:
http://www.fnhusa.com/mil/products/f...055&gid=FNG020

the real SSR:
http://www.fnhusa.com/mil/products/f...065&gid=FNG020

that airsoft rifle has the same long upper receiver, but the stock is standard.....
so stay ot, cause its about the stock, not the airsoft gun wich has nothing to do with the stock...

Blackthorne October 19th, 2010 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riko (Post 1335026)
fuck :)

but will that sniper variant itself come out? or will this stay a prototype?


Oh it's "out" but back ordered out the ass....it's gonna be like the Element SpecterDR that actually has 1-4X. Flyin off the shelves...

m102404 October 19th, 2010 13:02

Alright...if I can get that stock I'd buy a SCAR. I like everything about the SCAR except for the goofy footed dolphin tail stock....or a UBR-ish stock.

Are there many (any?) other stocks for the SCAR? They're great shooters but the stock just kills it for me.

Wonder if this would fit (looks kind of goofy though)...then add the UBR stock.
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/...e/P1030863.jpg

Or like the lower rifle...(that's a Bushmaster ACR I think...not sure)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6437980_n.jpg

Blackthorne October 19th, 2010 13:55

Yah, Vltor is about it for SCAR adapters. Good luck finding one fo those too. Vltor hasn't mentioned a release date as far as I know.

I have actually been looking into making just the buffer tube adapter through Neit Arms/NEA. One made here (for RS applications) and one made in India for AS (cheaper, lighter)

Daiviet October 19th, 2010 13:55

There aren't any for airsoft that I'm aware of, and each company's scar is slightly different on how its designed, so my guess is WE and VFC would most likely get them, everyone else would be screwed.

That m4 stock on the scar doesn't look bad actually, I'd get it given the chance.

vilreen May 11th, 2012 17:18

I'm probably eligible for a golden shovel :P

Let me get straight to business. Using those photos posted previously I've managed to do a CAD model of that desired stock. It's not complete - it's missing the mounting solution (not sure if I'd go for solid or folding stock) and it doesn't have the dimensions of the original yet, because I just guessed them or made up to make it look well :) Because this model is fairly complicated, I think it should be done as a molded part. Obviously not having money for it, I'm probably going to rapid-prototype it once I'm fully satisfied with my CAD model.

Anyway, enjoy and leave some feedback :)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...1%2520shcs.jpg

Fireboy September 17th, 2012 00:58

Bloody well done. Any progress?

vilreen November 21st, 2012 20:01

Unfortunately, my SCAR is still in my friends house, getting tuned up :) When it comes back, I'll try to design the front of the stock (where its mounted on the gun) and update all the dimensions to get more realistic look. When the model's ready, I'll try to find a way to manufacture it, I guess CNC milling will be the cheapest and most durable way (3d print is still WAY to expensive and not that strong after all). If anyone would be interested in buying the stock when it's ready, please give me feedback how much you'd pay for it.

MMatersk November 21st, 2012 23:48

Very nice work sir. You live in Warsaw?

SuperCriollo November 22nd, 2012 01:34

3D print it, make a mould, and then make copies out of fibreglass.

SuperHog November 22nd, 2012 09:31

Let's see the prototype.

Are you going to have a cavity for a battery?

vilreen March 15th, 2013 20:21

My rifle just came back so it was about time for me to get back to the project. I've updated the dimensions so that the stock is at the moment almost ready to be printed in 3D. I've also added a Picatinny rail to the bottom of the stock, because current issue Mk 20 has got a rail as well (from what I found on the web). About the battery - I thought about trying to squeeze some room for battery, but honestly I don't think it will fit there in any possible way - there are too many holes and cut-outs in this design to accomodate even the smallest LiPos (except pistol ones, but thats not an option anyway). So no, at this point I think installation of this stock will require you to rewire your GB to the front and use some sort of PEQ battery box.

Let me guys know what you think :) Any suggestions concerning a cheap easy to rapid prototype it are most welcome! :)

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps93b10d85.jpg

K3vX March 15th, 2013 21:17

First, being in the 3D world myself, I can only say "Nice" because I know how it is to model without a lot of references.

Now, I don't know how CAD softwares handle the perspective, but your model seems a little stretched in the "Y" axis or up ("Z" axis if we speak about 3ds max). Maybe a side view could help.

For the battery, there are some small, flat lipo batteries sold at HobbyKing. Not the strongest, but they could fit in there in diagonal, sliding from the top between the stock connection and cheek thing.

100x7x35 per cell, which means 100x14x35mm for a 7.4 volt. I'm sure it would fit.

Also, what's the usefulness of the rail at the bottom :P?

MMatersk March 15th, 2013 23:30

The rail at the bottom looks like its adapted from the Magpul PRS stock to accommodate a Magpul mono-pod (don't think its magpul forgot the company that makes those mono-pods)

Keep up the good work! The stock looks solid.

vilreen March 16th, 2013 05:03

Company that makes nice monopods that I know of is Accu-Shot.
http://www.accu-shot.com/catalog/ind...m9heemojfbo970

About the LiPos - I know about those batteries, I've considered it, but since my SCAR is currently running 535 fps, my battery needs to be a bit bigger :) But there's no problem for me to make some sort of hole in the stock if someone in the future would like to put a small lipo there.

First, the side view:
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6f869d60.jpg

Now let me explain myself :P I've modeled the stock after this photo:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eRPHqoaA9g...0/SSR_2010.JPG with obvious changes to the design required to keep the rigidity when 3d printing (I kept the cutout from the original MK20 stock and changed the bottom of the stock where the rail is). I've just resized this photo on my screen so that the dimensions fitted my SCAR and took measurements off the screen :D For the mounting plate I measured and copied the mounting solution from the standard stock. On my screen the stock is around 200mm long, my stock is exacly 195.5 mm long, so thats about right. Height of the mounting side cannot be altered - it's exacly as high as the standard one, 81.8 mm. Maximum height of the stock (top to bottom) is 121.4 mm. On the photo its around 120 cm, depending on how you look on it. I think it's quite correct, but I don't say it's 100% correct - it never will be unless I get my hands on the real one :P

lurkingknight March 16th, 2013 11:50

is it possible at this point to project the cost of producing these things? cause the boot is the only thing really keeping me from buying a scar.

K3vX March 16th, 2013 12:02

I see. Looks like you did your homeworks, looks right from the side.
For the lipo, that also makes sense. These lipos work well with a normal setup, but with a DMR you sure want something stronger.

Now, I don't know how to make a prototype for that, unfortunately.

vilreen March 16th, 2013 12:53

Well, about the costs: Cheapest DIY 3D printer that people recommend would set me back for around 600-650 US $. Then the material (PLA) is pretty cheap, around 20$ per kilogram (I estimate this stock would use no more then 0.5 kg, I know the density of PLA and the volume of the model). But I'm pretty far from buying this printer right now, simply because I don't have that money at the moment. That may change in upcoming months, so it will be a goal I'd be striving for :)

As for 3d printing it in a company which does such things - lowest price I've found quoted me for 107 euros just for the main body of the stock, so I'd estimate the whole stock would set me back around 200 euros with shipping and stuff. I don't want to spend that kind of money on the first pre-alpha prototype :P Simply because I'm already sure there will be several changes in the model before it's finally ready to use and use comfortably. That's why I'd like to have my own printer/access to a printer.

Of course I'd let you guys know when this stock would be buyable :) Battery issue still gives me nightmares, I don't know what to do with it to make it look nice (without a giant PEQ) and still have enough power to make the gun run smooth...

Kos-Mos March 18th, 2013 16:05

Why not CNC it instead...

A "cheap" tabletop CNC is around 600$ too, but can work on machinable wax just like aluminum, so you don't have to find a place to make the real thing once your proto is done...

I think it would be a lot cheaper both for testing and production... you could make a single positive of the ABS/polymer part, then make a mold with silicon and cast as many as you want. And make the aluminum part out of a stock directly.

In a few months I would be able to help with that, but I don't have mine just yet...

K3vX March 18th, 2013 16:09

Sure, CNC is miles better, but you need to program the damn machine, something you cannot learn that easilly. But, I guess that you implied that you know how to do it with your message, so you could prove me wrong.

Kos-Mos March 18th, 2013 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by K3vX (Post 1774017)
Sure, CNC is miles better, but you need to program the damn machine, something you cannot learn that easilly. But, I guess that you implied that you know how to do it with your message, so you could prove me wrong.

It's actually easier than drawing the thing...

You don't have to program in G-Code anymore... the software does that for your. You only have to set your tool size and path, then off it goes.

vilreen March 18th, 2013 17:56

Aye, I was even trained in G-coding basics, so that wouldn't be much of a problem. Haven't seen any CNC machines for that kind of money though... A link or something maybe please? :)

Kos-Mos March 18th, 2013 18:13

https://sites.google.com/site/cncdiyorg/2520

This is the one I am ordering this summer...

It was recommended to me by a friend that owned one.

vilreen March 18th, 2013 19:55

Nice! I'll look into it, now I got 2 things to spend my money on :D I'm thinking now how durable and resilient is that PLA plastic used by 3d printers, will it be enough for some minor field use :)

And on the other hand, will this CNC machine be sufficient for my needs, some of the parts of the stock are a bit bulky and odd in shape :(

Kos-Mos March 18th, 2013 20:22

3d printing is barely sturdy enough to make molds for the real part.

Also don't forget that 99% of all products are made with CNC...
And you don't have to do everything in a single pass.

also:

http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/

vilreen March 23rd, 2013 11:39

Yea I know... I've weighted all pros and cons of both worlds and I've decided to get a 3d printer as soon as I get the money (probably gonna go for some ~1200$ printer to get a bigger workzone). Until then I'd probably just tweak my model to make it absolutely 100% ready for printing :)

augherk May 15th, 2013 12:08

other scar stock
 
the only other "official" scar stock is the near-mp7 style one on the Mk16 pdw. Which I would love as a cqb gun.

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/mil...ar-family/pdw/

Magzor September 8th, 2020 00:34

Is there any updates on this matter?
Could it be possible if you could send me the 3d files of the stock vilreen, i would like to make a protype with my 3d printer!

Franck September 12th, 2020 14:16

Not what exactly you've ask but still!
https://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo..._MK17_GBBR.htm

CGT September 22nd, 2020 16:29

I have just upgraded MK20 Stock for my Custom Scar 20 SSR GBB, check it out on youtube:

https://youtu.be/mA15ZI3_8Xo
https://i.imgur.com/c8eGE4R.jpg

Venguer January 13th, 2021 13:18

Why do you need sniper bipods?


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