SYSTEMA Releases 2012 PTW Details
 

http://www.everything-airsoft.com/bl...ution-version/

http://www.zshot.com/LinkClick.aspx?...id=151&mid=766

And the price is going up.

new motor will be swapable in current gen ptw's?

sort of...
the new ones will be higher torque, and thicker. and the grip will also be the same size outer, so the inside will have a larger opening, which means current PTW grips wont work, without some dremmeling

Tasty.

and I thought I was done buying ptw stuff

you are also forgeting about some standard magpul goodies for the 2012

Are you kidding me...I just ordered my Inokatsu and now P.T W. has a new one coming out? Will it be with the silver cylinder?

wonder if the current mags will work, what the higher price will be and if anyone is still accepting souls lol

Just being the messenger, the 2012 PTW in Tackleberry's mind (if you don't know who Tackleberry is you don't know PTW world) The Hopup increase is about the same as the Hop-up mod he offer (Double tap tactical uses the same method tackleberry did)

Super Hop for PTW should be out/ already out and it was reported being superior than the traditional ptw or standard hopup in everyway except maybe cost.

The motor is STILL NOT fix, rewind is still going to happened.

This is taken from Tackleberry on Systema PTW forum

i wanna know more about the barrel

The barrel opens up at the last half inch to a larger inner diameter. It'll be interesting to see how it does performance wise.

hm.... maybe I should offer barrel mods for older styles lol

well ive been told that DTT has a laith...maybe that can be something new in their store ;)

2011 PTWs are still what is available folks. If you want to know, you can always look at the serial number. It tells you which year it was made.

And still no G36 version...

bob i feel your pain man

Maybe i should hop on the PTW train....

Some good add... Now how much for this add ...

That's ok...you still can't use 'em in the rain :)

Lol maybe yours Morb, I 've played in torrential rain in mine no issues on the PTW except those damn 1st and 2nd gen piece of shit

ya, the new electronics don't have issues with the rain

What is the difference with the new hop-up ?

Do we still have to remove the mag like the old one ?

the new 2012 hop up have 50% of tackleberry hop up mod done

Like anything electronic it should dried out after use in the rain. But I can attest that they stand up just fine in most weather conditions. Some of the after market optics come pre-sealed. "available from doubletaptactical". I'm assuming this will be an added feature. The Gen3/2008 versions stood up very well as it were. Systema also mentioned that they dropped there motor manufacturer awhile back. The problem being the manufacturing, not the design. So hopefully that's been dealt with. But if Tack says they are still hit or miss, then I guess that's that. I'm curious to see the new price, I wouldn't mind getting another M16.

Who knows what the next gun they release will be. It seems the American Military is sticking with the M4/M16 series, after much debate. A few years back Systema announced R&D going into making the Scar. However that project was dropped after the announcement of the ACR Masada. I assumed all the trouble the ACR has been having would halt Systema from making a training weapon version. It would seem that the Masada is still being worked on though. And if Systema is releasing their new PTW with Magpul pieces then the Masada may still be their next logical step. Unfortunately anytime they announce a new gun it takes them four plus years to get it out on the market.

Same here. I've run mine wetter than any AEG I've owned and it's been fine. Stock too. No aftermarket nail polish :D

i hope parts are interchangeable ! would like a little stronger hop up to use with heavier weight BB's.

if you get your PTW from double tap the hop up mod is already done, I started to use .45 on my M16A3 with the red cylinder just for shits and giggles and it have no issues, straight and far. My M4 also with the tackleberry mod also have no issues using heavier grade bbs

The hop-up mod is phenomenal. As well the motor mod. I had Tackleberry do my '07, and it went for four years. Actually it died when I smashed my lower receiver and grip at Cold Front II. Either way, well worth it.

Mine's a gen 3 I believe, and (at best) you lose semi auto when it's wet.

yeah had one of those, it went dead after 1 game where it was really foggy and lots of moisture in the air, I think that was the gen that made me swore off PTW all together but recently they pull me back in starting with the CQBR, TW5, 2012 M16A3 and soon another 2012 M4

Ohh the PTW...
Once at flag raiders was very rainy. Dude didnt have a barrel condom on his gun, and the mag was in.
Sitting around eating the rot dogs, and the guys PTW decides to start shooting on its own. Brit ter had just moved out of the way too. Supremely lucky. (he woulda been shot in the nuts on full auto from 2 inches away)

:)

It's sad they don't have a few more variations of the PTW. I like the M16, but it's not my favorite gun. However, the M series rifles are so easy to modify and accessorize you can almost make it look like anything you want. There is a 416 kit available for PTWs now as well. Not to mention PTWs can use almost any real steel accessory, optic, or furniture.

But I've used mine in the rain and snow. I guess my advice, is to disconnect your battery immediately if you think water got inside. Use a can of air duster (computer cleaner) to blow out your boards and optics, then let her sit stripped apart in a dry place fir awhile.

I once played in a torrential downpour, and heavy fog all day. I then put it back in my gun case wet. The foam in the case was already moist. It sat there like that for a week. The optic board failed a month or so later. Also don't use heat to dry your gun out. They really are the best, but not invincible. A minor amount of care is required.

Operator Issue.

Who does this 'Dude' happen to be exactly? Just making a note to self about not attending games with said 'Dude' present. You'd be helping quite a few here with their personal notes to self i'm sure.

Was Joe absent that day? He usually hammers such carelessness. I wouldn't blame the gun.

Oh Joe ran over quite fast and tore a strip off the guy.
Unfortunately I dont know who the guy was, but he was asian (Yeah Im sure that helps a lot :D)

I remember this! I was one table over at the time. It was like something out of Rogue Trooper. autonomous guns for all!

I've seen a similar issue with a team mates PTW. At FlagRaiders. Only there wasn't a mag in the gun, and it was sitting on the table poised at his own crotch... PTW's are cock magnets.

That and teeth removers.

I got this electrical waterproofing spray at work (electra-coat by lubemaster), the liquid sets up into a scotch tape like plastic film, works great for waterproofing battery terminals, boards, and the like.
I'm considering spraying my boards with this stuff, then cutting it away between the optical contacts.
We had a hoist control remote fall into a hot rinse tank at work, took it apart, blew it out, worked. Sprayed the inside with that plastic film, they got it wet twice since and it hasn't stopped working.
I'd say it's probably the best bet for waterproofing PTWs

I've done that on my two PTWs. :) The first one has so far survived 3 years of all weather play and I've played in some very wet games during that time. Even before I sprayed my boards I played some really wet games and never had any problems but I figure it wouldn't hurt to protect my boards.

Oh as for the PTW that went off, there's a bit more back story to it... I know the gun and game in question, the owner earlier in the week had severed the wires that run into the buffer tube and just taped them back together. Don't know if that along with the rain lead to a short but it's possible.

Frenchy if u do that to ur gun send lindsey the how to if it doesn't wreck ur boards lol

I got a can of the spray on electrical tape (similar to marine electronics spray) from Colin. It's worked great for years on more than a few PTW's. Last time I used it was in a knee deep swamp and everything was damp/soaked (obviously the gun didn't go underwater...but there wasn't much care taken otherwise).

Very light coats is the way to go...let dry between. If it goes on too thick it risks jamming/gumming up microswitches. I just replaced the side board on a buddy's PTW because it was put on too thick. It's fixable...but you've got to pick it all out and that's pretty fiddly.

Another potential downside is that if you apply too much (IIRC the can says to apply 2-3 applications) the front board will be very hard to put into the trigger/mech unit...and very, very, very hard to pull out. You can clean it off the very edges so there's no dimension issues...learned that the hard way.

I just used a bit of painters tape over the optical contacts when I spray them.

Yep, that was my plan! :)
This stuff goes on pretty thin with just one coat, very much like scotch tape with one coat.
It's specifically designed for spraying electronic components, so I'm pretty damn confident it won't toast anything. Only takes an hour to fully dry all the way through.
I gotta take my gun apart to paint it anyway, might as well water proof it while it's convenient lol

So when is it actually coming to out/ arriving in Canada?

the SCK kit is already out the factory assembled version will be out shortly

anyone know what price they kits will be if not price on factory built

Just get dtt to build you one from one of the kits. :)

DTT told me its not available yet and no ETA.. :(

Unfortunately that's the truth. As far as I know the gun has been completed. It's a matter of production and shipping.

So DTT has received some prebuilt 2012 Challenge kits. CQB's and M4A1's. They aren't on the site yet but they are finally in:D

Imperial Airsoft gots some as well.

They already posted pictures on there FB page :)

Karma I Have to thank you again for getting those prebuilt 2012's in. I gamed with it for the first time yesterday and I love it. It shoots like a laser and according to rob my M4A1 hits like a hammer. now I just need to make it back in to Calgary to get some accessories. If anybody is looking for a PTW or PTW accessories I would highly recommend DTT.
Thanks again.

Thanks bud. We have some accessories coming in soon.

I just gamed my 2012 DTT PT and I love it. F#cking tack driver!

I was very impressed with the gun. We did some testing and gaming with it, and it's nothing short of amazing. I do like the few changes they have made as well. It is very much so still a Systema PTW, following their known build. However, I found it to be noticeably better than prior models, having owned some myself. Although PTWs already had a solid accuracy/range/grouping factor in the past, the Evolution did it just a little better.

Thanks to Double Tap Tactical. As always it's great dealing with you. If anyone needs anything Systema, DDT are the ones to talk to.

Just popped my PTW cherry with Chris over at DTT and all I can say is WoW!!!

8 months of questions, emails, back and forth Q&A and he was always there, more than willing to answer any and all of my concerns.....his service has been impeccable.

Anyone considering/looking/wondering about getting their first PTW -

CHRIS EVANS AT DOUBLETAP TACTICAL IS YOUR MAN!!!!!!

I highly recommend you hit him up...Super Solid dealer....for what is easily my most costly and important airsoft investment in 6 years, he made it an easy one...

Welcome to the club ! See you sometime in the field.

Now you need to give him more money for FCC complete gun

VIR hit up IA there in stock :)