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The Force Recon & MARSOC Thread
(I deleted the whole first post as it isn't what it kindov evolved a lot from what it started as)
Welcome to ASC's (un)Official Coyote Brown & Khaki World! Your place for MARPAT and new-old-school woodland in the OEF era. FORCE RECON & MARSOC THREAD http://www.forcerecon.com/images/MSOB-GWOT.jpg Some great resources: http://miairsoft.proboards.com/index...y&thread=35673 (french) http://www.france-airsoft.fr/forum/i...howtopic=99783 http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ations-Command http://picasaweb.google.pl/dominikusmc/MSOB# http://www.specwargear.com/FSBE2.html And as always... http://www.google.ca/ http://www.americanspecialops.com/im...soc-marine.jpg |
I noticed your setup, it was pretty nice, good job.
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I was the team leader with a setup like that (RRV+Backpanel & MAP and a PACA), you may have noticed it wasn't very greenside oriented: it's fairly slick for what it is since the sides are open, but its definitely a blackside setup (I was wearing it for actual recon on that field during Red Invasion 2, very annoying). You could try an MBSS (with or without PACA) for a lighter setup, although mag pouches can still hinder your ability to get low or crawl: you might use a 3 mag shingle on the front for easy access and move some mag pouches to a MOLLE belt (MFR get issued an Eagle MOLLE belt w/ suspenders). Although rarely used, Marines also get issued an FLC (or Super FLC) which fits nicely over a PACA or by itself and lets you carry a limited load (but you'll need a separate hydration carrier or canteens). Some people also still use old ALICE gear or other chest rigs etc. which means you don't get armor but you do get a smaller profile and lighter weight. http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/public%2...214-recon2.jpg |
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I've seen them wear a few of the HSGI rigs such as the Denali and Silverthrone. Actually the guy on Drake's pic and one of the guy on pugs' pic is using that. I used to own a Warlord and it was a pretty comfy rig, the shoulder strap was super wide and thick enough to offer good support without getting in the way of handling your weapon.
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For looks, I really prefer Drake's setup, but for functionnality for recon ops, I see there's obviously better choices.
I'm unsure of the load capacity (edit: and repartition) with a setup in the like of an ALICE kit, as I at least need on me (and I'd prefer to do without a pack): -4+1 mags (Currently, 54 bbs locaps) -2+1 GBB mags -Mag drop pouch -Binoculars -Paper (for notes) -Hydration carrier -Maps -Light snack -Radio (+ headset) I think that's all... If you think of anything else, feel free to post it. In the meanwhile, some more pics I found to try to make a decision... |
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Thanks for the info Skeletor.
I guess I'll have to check that out at the surplus myself then! EDIT: More pics found on Wannabe. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...1000194jpg.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...5_32902jpg.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...5_48184jpg.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...5_57081jpg.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...5_68949jpg.jpg |
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I'm looking at putting together something more greenside-ish myself. The setup I'm considering (kosherness is debatable) is SuperFLC with two (2) triple mag shingles to keep a low profile, with pistol mags, a canteen, utility pouch, or extra mag pouches on the belt. An MOLLE belt can be used if more needs carrying (like 40mm shells). Dunno what pistol you're using, if its a single stack 1911 you can use Eagle style mag pouches (or the PANTAC repros) and remove the adjustable covers, which lets you fit 2 mags in each pouch (so 4 in a double). My biggest problem right now is finding a holster. I'd rather not use a dropleg when crawling around and I can't really find a MOLLE one I like (Eagle G-Code is the closest to acceptable) and I'm not sure the FLC is rigid enough to mount it properly. |
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Great, let me know if what you'll have settled on!
I'm indeed using a single stack 1911 (MEU). For the holster, I was thinking of a MOLLE-mounted Serpa (if I get the MOLLE route or, to an extent, maybe belt-mounted) as I don't have much trust and overall appreciation in a nylon holster (mostly for the reasons enumerated by Brakoo this weekend). |
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Maybe I can find a setup that works with the MOLLE belt. edit: something like a W*satch (without plates) seems interesting, too. Stick to single mags in the front so you can get low, shove the pistol in one of the mag pouches... |
USMC Greenside
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Hey guys,
I've had a USMC greenside kit in the works for a while now, figured I'd show you all and explain it. Besides the older FR/greenside pics above, there's not much photo evidence I can find of what Marines currently wear when not wearing armour. There's the FLC, privately purchased chest rigs, and not much else. I have an old woodland FLC--it's pretty big on me. I got a Tru-Spec RACK--it's way too big on me. Then, I noticed some grunts here and there taking the MOLLE belt from their FLC and attaching old ALICE suspenders, and I thought I'd run with that as a concept. So, I got an ATS War Belt and made my own PLCE-style harness out of some MARPAT cordura. Please keep in mind the whole thing's very much a work in progress, including the pouch set up. From left to right: Two double M4 pouches of my own design and manufacture, Tru-Spec MOLLE Canteen/GP (added surface-mount fastex myself), USSOCOM (that's what the tag says) IFAK, custom utility pouch, two USMC issue frag pouches. The canteen is there for somewhere to store it; the MOLLE on the back of the harness is for an almost-finished MARPAT hydration pouch for my Source USMC 3L tactical, which happens to be where I scrounged the sternum strap for the harness. When designing this (my 2nd attempt actually; the first was a TT MAV/Arktis NL hybrid that was...too big!), some of the major issues were: 1. My size (5'8", 130lbs) 2. Compatible with ILBE Assault Pack. 3. Ability to go prone and not be laying on all my mags. 4. Points on harness to attach rolled-up field tarp/poncho. There are some MOLLE real-estate issues I know, but as I said it remains a WIP, and most issues can be solved through good pouch layout, which will change as soon as I get some more Coyote 498 edge tape. Feedback appreciated! |
Indeed I've never seen this in real pics, but I like the idea and it's looking pretty good! Would you mind sharing some "action pics" with this in the field?
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I think part of the problem with finding "recent" pics is there just hasn't been much greenside stuff being performed since 2001: maybe some in Afghanistan, but Iraq would be mostly urban and probably still pretty heavily armored considering the nature of urban combat (or being out in the open/desert).
Otherwise you most likely look like a UAV driver :P |
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