Yeah this is sad...I had high hopes for a AK PTW when i saw those teaser shots.
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I'd stick that quote in my sig if I wasn't so sure it would ruffle someone's feathers lol
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Just from observation even guys on Youtube that were showing off their FCC's have stopped posting beyond the build or initial purchase. And same with ASC certain supporters of FCC have gone quiet. Just doesn't seem like FCC is actually listening and taking the feed back in and implementing changes. Its a pitty cuz they have some really nice looking builds and for the pennies you guys fork out for them you expect results worthy of the cost.
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Luckily, there's still Systema. Not only better, but cheaper. Go figure.
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Like to report my A&K PTW is working flawless with zero issues. I would have thought the gear box, cylinder or motor would have died by now, but still humming along.
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If you compare them to AEG's which are on the same level, I'd rather run a CTW or A&K ptw, simply due to the fact they're based on a superior platform, and they still retain the modularity of the ptw for ease of maintenance and troubleshooting
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A&K is surprisingly an good platform, only the electronics are a little weak.
If/when they burn out replace them with systema and you are good to go for quite a while. I had a buddy who got into the sport and went A&K over FCC/Systema and I replaced his boards when they failed with old 2007 systema boards I had laying around. Its been flawless since |
I use to own a CTW but sold it. The fit and finish and also A&K PTW compatibility to a Systema is much better.
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I agree with Brad, the only product that I have seen from FCC that is good to go IMO is the selector rack. |
And "some" of their receivers.
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If the dealers and stakeholders really DO have the top end prototypes and we're stuck with the BS they're marketing, then that REALLY grinds my fucking gears. Straight up insulting to no end. It's like a Rolex dealership spent months advertising their watches and went and sold us chinese knockoffs for 15% MORE than a real Rolex. And then you call them on it, and the salesman is like "well MY Rolex that I bought here is a real Rolex, so you must be full of crap."
So this whole time these (very few) persons have been arguing against us saying FCC is good, and their FTW is awesome, it's been because they had a special we-suck-your-dick model? And after being presented with a pile of indisputable evidence against FCC, their argument is their special blowjob model is good, therefore people should still buy FTWs. That's absurd. But just to show that I am fair, I will (no bullshit) give someone $20 to post up a detailed and photographed review of a quality, properly working, and at least up to systema-spec FTW bought in 2014, specifically detailing every spot where we have found faults in this thread and showing that it is INDEED problem free and worth at least as much as a systema. Show me your cake! |
Yeah, but then you still have two severe problems. For starters is the cost. It's so much higher than Systema, but yet doesn't keep up performance wise. Who cares about fancy externals, I can customize it myself later. Second, if you're even going to bother, then you have to make up for Systema's short comings, motor, hop, lower receiver, etc. Couple that with a guarantee/warranty, and we'll talk. Otherwise what's the point? Why wouldn't someone buy a Systema instead?
Screw it because it works, it's a product, it's suppose to work. |
Well to give them credit, factor in the cost of the rails and special receiver and stock on there, they come out being about on par with systema. But DTW quality or less...
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I'm no FCC rep, just a average shooter that was tired of fixing problems with AEGs and the lack of accuracy with GBBRs.
I wish I could take your money ThunderCactus, but I bought my FCC 416 back in 2013. As you may know, it has been running fine. I'm still running the 2.5 motor and the only thing I have upgraded was the hopup rubber and the pinion gear. I haven't really kept up with FCC's products, but the last time I checked their FTWs had cast bodies, not CNC. One other person I know recently got his FTW and withstood the torture test they put it through. Now, I don't have access to that FTW since it's not mine, but were there any concerns I can answer for you guys? |
They state on the site that they're receivers are all machined from billet, but all the receivers we've seen so far have been machined castings.
If you DO want to check something for me, I'd like to know if the motor hole in your receiver is to spec. After taking apart Austin's FTW it's apparent they may have fixed the gear lash issue, the only other major flaw is the motor hole. What I'm looking for is a decent sample size of 2014 FTW's to verify if they've been fixing problems or not. A few AEG companies have improved their game over the years, maybe FCC can do the same. The other, and most important, issue is something that can only be verified by a sample of FTWs, and that's product consistency. So, I'll trust that yours, and that other FTW in the GTA area are good. And we'll even assume they are up to or surpassing systema specs. But even then, based on what we're finding, only 1 in 7 FTW's are any good. So even if they CAN make a same quality or better product than systema, what is the point in buying one if there's a 6 in 7 chance that you'll end up with a $3000 DTW? |
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I sold off my PTW's, both were constructed from scratch with FCC parts and Systema bodies (One was an FCC Noveske body build) They are still going to this day without any problems. With the exception of the 416 I had from FCC, stripping of the FCC pinion gears was a major concern and pain in the ass. From what I noticed while watching FCC's product releases, was that they became quite inconsistent with tolerances of their upper and lowers and overall CNC build quality. I think the pinnacle for FCC quality was right when they started releasing their first build of rifles, and the first 416 line, they were heavily focused on quality and scrutinized over the details of each rifle, and as such were able to maintain a warranty program. After that quality control seemed to slip considerably.
Of course this exact same thing has happened to Systema, so I am not really surprised. At the end of the day, as the end user, I will take what ever works best from multiple companies and build a custom blaster as I always have. I think FCC can be salvaged for the Canadian market if they go back to doing what they were doing best. Making replacement parts for reasonable prices to fill the gap and demand which Systema created. |
I have an FCC 416 that I received from DTT in early 2013. I haven't changed anything on the gun and it has been running perfectly fine this whole time. I'm not a tech by any stretch of the imagination so there certainly could be issues if I opened up the gun and scrutinized it.
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Specifically the reason I want 2014 FTW's for this is because the problem isn't the first set of guns they built, it's their current guns. Can't judge a company based on their first line of guns.
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It's also far more cost effective to cast and machine. A more correct saying is; "CNC" in the airsoft world, means a CNC machine once performed some sort of operation on the cast part. Even with high quality castings that have been machined, there are always tell tale signs of it being a casting. Like systema for example, when someone breaks an upper receiver, there's usually some anodized black spots on the broken side of the receiver tabs, those are casting cracks from uneven cooling. With FCC, the most notable faults are where they machined through the wall between the mag well and mechbox areas. In a casting that's to proper size, like systema, you wouldn't get that break through. Unfortunately, but fortunately, nobody's broken an FCC receiver yet to inspect that. It's not often someone spear throws a ptw anyway, let alone an ftw. |
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Kind of a moot point, once again it isn't an improvement, may as well go with Systema. Remember, it's all about better, or what's the point? You're charging more for less no matter how you slice it. Systema hop-up is solid, with the mod is fantastic. Systema motor is an unknown, with the mod is fantastic. Systema receiver is more than good enough, may require an upgrade or replacement should the worst happen. Basically that's it though. Go that path, and technically you end up with the best airsoft gun on the market for around $2,000. FCC is not an improvement on "any" area, especially on the ones that Systema needed improvement. I'd say their hop-up was a little better, but maybe not as solid as a stock Final Evolution. Cylinders, barrel, boards, gear box, etc, aren't quite as good as Systema, yet here's a "higher" price tag? Even if there are FCC guns out there still running, a modded Systema is far superior for much less. I think they dropped their custom parts and careful manufacturing, for fancy, overpriced platforms.
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the motor shouldn't move side to side at all, and the hole should be centered in the receiver
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The motor should be rigid once the two dowel pins are press in which locks the motor in.
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We've found the FCC pins to be loose
The pins only really stop the motor from rotating With Austin's FTW, the motor had shifted sideways during normal operation and disengaged from the bevel gear. |
If it is shifting along the armature shaft axis, the armature wasn't shimmed properly.
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I can tell you from my experience that there is a slight wobble with the motor. Seems like the pins weren't to spec.
If you check TW-Works it says that FTWs are cast bodies. I believe only the accessory parts of the gun are CNC'd. http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=FCC |
I believe Austin's FCC 2.5 moved up and down about 3mm, it had the most armature play of any TW motor I've seen so far lol
Mine wasn't much better before I reshimmed it Although I think they mounted their armature too low on the shaft, every time I reshim an armature the shaft is .2mm shy of the end of the bearing. Whereas the systema usually sticks out of the bearing a little. So with the FCC you have to mount the pinion gear fairly high and loctite it in place, whereas the systema you can bottom it out on the flat, ensuring it will never ride down. |
I finally found some time to take a look at my gun. There is a slight wobble with the motor the lets it move left to right, however, not enough movement to do any damage. There is no play up or down. The motor hole is also dead center. Other than that, there is nothing else out of the ordinary with my gun.
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Frank this is Austin's gun? I found a solution that will fix the motor issue 100% (sold him a systema) I believe Kullwarrior is running a FCC2.5 in his 2008 PTW. The motor screeches and makes an awful sound. The FCC2.5 motor also cannot pull a M150 either. The engagement between the pinion gear is likely the culprit. |
The 2.5s lack torque, it's evident in active braking where the sector gear typically overshoots the normal stopping position when the receiver is open.
Trooper, good to here they got at least one receiver right! |
What's the future of FCC? Are they giving up, or are they going to take another kick at the cat?
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