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Old April 22nd, 2010, 09:41   #151
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Heheheh, lol, someone knows my history. I'm getting better at it, and as of yesterday, BB Bastard went corporate, so its not longer a sole proprietorship, taking that financial burden off me. I've also got a very smart and experienced board of directors now who are forming the company up for me - I'm staying on the sales and product development side, but what it means is greater access to capital, facilities and shortly, less inventory issues and a wider product line (more about that soon) but remaining focused on ammunition and ammunition peripherals.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 09:59   #152
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Personally...I hate the fucking bags that he sells them in. I'd rather buy by the pail full...and just put it into the collection of bags/bottles that I already have. The empty bags (while well made) are too big for storing RDS batteries/odds and ends....and too small for packing radios/headsets/etc...


I am as surprised as Jay. Not one comment to the negative since he brought them out.

I definitely want to know what the root issue is. Even if it's a factor of the re-usability of the bag.

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 10:00   #153
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I'm not fully versed in the reaction of BB's to humidity/moisture...so to say, "I want to buy a pail full..." might be irresponsible if they're just going to get ruined over the season by improper storage on my part.

I don't know if you receive your supply prepackaged/bagged/boxed already....or just receive 50gallon drums of them, which are then packaged locally. If it saves on packaging work...I'd skip the consumer-side need for packaging.

I've got LOTS of empty BBBastard bags (I'm sure a lot of guys do). I've got other containers suitable for "bulk" BBs as well.

Myself...it'd like to be able to send in a container, say "filler up with 0.xx g BBs" and have it shipped back. I'm assuming you sell by packaged weight and don't actually count unit quantities ...and would just "bulk-food store scoop" them in until it's full. I'd just fill my "go to game" kit with scoops of BB's and take what I need in the packaging I have.

I go though LOTS of ammo testing and troubleshooting stuff....it'd be nice to just scoop BBs out of a bucket vs. tearing open baggie after baggie.

The last 4 games (2 months span) have consumed a min of 10 bags of ammo between 3 of us (claymores, 40mm grenades are the worst culprits)...and we haven't even taken a SAW/LMG out yet. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's going to be a gangbuster year for games. The cost of the ammo isn't so much an issue ('cause it's for fun!) but running around gathering ammo here and there is a pain in the butt. I had 6 bags of ammo beginning of Jan...now I'm down to the dregs and just enough for 2 good solid games.

But...if you receive them pre-packaged and have to incur more expense or headaches to receive them otherwise...then that's the way it is.

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- root cause is that we are going through A LOT of ammo
- travel and time to get BB's by the bag every week
- if local game Bastard runs out guys are scrambling for the next game...or showing up to the game without ammo. If Dereck hadn't been there to sell BBs (i.e. slept in, got sick, car broke down)...there would have been dozen+ guys at that last game with nothing to shoot.


Note: Maybe I should become a BBbastard Jr....

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 10:12   #154
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- root cause is that we are going through A LOT of ammo
- travel and time to get BB's by the bag every week
- if local game Bastard runs out guys are scrambling for the next game...or showing up to the game without ammo. If Dereck hadn't been there to sell BBs (i.e. slept in, got sick, car broke down)...there would have been dozen+ guys at that last game with nothing to shoot.
I suspected as much. The bag was designed to be as stable as possible in the field (it stands up rather well) and properly hold the required round count.

We are working on different packaging. This input helps us allot. In addition to keeping customers satisfied, we want to be be as green as possible, so if we can create a form factor that does both we are highly motivated to do so.

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:27   #155
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I like the idea of bigger packaging as well, I go through alot of BB's and I always pour them into a storage tube that holds about 4000 and I can pour it into loaders easily. I always reorg the ammo out of any BB bags so the more the better.

In regards to the silica's. I shot the BB bastard silicas at Zeon's game and so did several others that had samples. I used all 2000 and had to go to my back up clear BB's. Never once saw anyone complain, notice they were silica, get an eye put out or run away screaming in pain. I know some people took headshots (Blanks) and it was not noticeable. I shot at the bus windows trying to get people inside, the windows did not break. Bear in mind the engagement distances were mostly between 20 and 150 feet.
Up close and personal at less than 15 feet (like I would with any heavy BB) I was not shooting at the face, teeth or head area. As I have stated before any BB at that range will crack a tooth.

If anything I noticed more people not calling their hits because they could not see the BB's hitting them. They could feel and hear them, then they would just look around and wonder what happened and play on. That was frustrating and a side effect of clear BB usage.

I am only now getting better at tracking the clear BB's and you definitely need good eyesight and practice to use these properly at distance. But when you get it down the effect is awesome.

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 17:08   #156
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@ Blackthorne
- root cause is that we are going through A LOT of ammo
- travel and time to get BB's by the bag every week
- if local game Bastard runs out guys are scrambling for the next game...or showing up to the game without ammo. If Dereck hadn't been there to sell BBs (i.e. slept in, got sick, car broke down)...there would have been dozen+ guys at that last game with nothing to shoot.
The main root cause for us using up so much ammo are these little guys plus about 3 LMG that are ammo hogs



And Yeah I wouldn't mind buying like a 5lt pail, it makes loading up the nades easier.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 17:26   #157
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The main root cause for us using up so much ammo are these little guys plus about 3 LMG that are ammo hogs



And Yeah I wouldn't mind buying like a 5lt pail, it makes loading up the nades easier.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 17:32   #158
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 17:38   #159
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 19:20   #160
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Keep the 2000s...
Those who need more than 2000 a game are a small minority. It's not a big deal to tear open a second bag to fill a 4000 round ammo tube every few weeks. Plus, 2000 round bags are good for pouches. And it would suck a lot less to tear/spill a 2000 round bag than a 4000.


....however.... I wouldn't mind seeing them in a well designed bottle with a spout.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 19:46   #161
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Keep the 2000s...
Blackthorne and I were talking about that today - we wouldn't discontinue the 2000 count bag - it serves the majority purpose out there, but, we may consider alternative additional types and quatities of packaging if it adds appeal and convenience to the brand.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 00:25   #162
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cant wait till i can actually try these, personally i'm not afraid of being "hurt" by these, i wear proper face protection :/, like most smart people should. Mouth guards/ face masks should be a mandatory thing for fields, just to take out the risk of tooth destruction and the making of hill billies. That way people would stop qq'ing about silca bbs and we can get to shooting with them already!, im not terribly convinced with the receiver shots that became cracked and busted nuts, when a gun is fully assembled and the mag is inserted there would be much more rigidity and less room for the receiver to move i think, i could be horribly wrong but it might be a nice thing to test out. Lets do some tests with mags in and see what happens :/

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Old May 2nd, 2010, 03:15   #163
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Why not use a piece of board, drywall, or the such, rather than shooting up a TM body?

Kinda seems pointless to me.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 10:40   #164
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Kinda seems pointless to me.
I think it demonstrates without debate the risk to a TM body which is the benchmark out there people can relate to and what is at risk when on the field. People seem to be expressing concern over damage to equipment, so this Renegade happen to have an old plastic body lying around and sacrificed it for our benefit. Those with metal bodies need not worry.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 10:50   #165
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Yeah.... but he shot it in different places. We don't know that a regular BB wouldn't have taken off that same chunk of plastic, given the right shot.

And I think the main concern is safety of eyes and teeth, rather than safety of ABS plastic. I don't remember anyone saying that they were worried about their guns breaking under a hail of BB fire.

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