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Old February 14th, 2010, 14:44   #106
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We've been doing this for years @ the LZ in Ottawa - you're telling me this isn't standard practice? We have players check in, pay and chrony before games.

Players who are fucktards get spoken to, then the boot if they carry on being a problem. Now with a united group of field hosts in Ottawa this year, player bans would be enforced across the region.


No not here in Toronto, but I'd like to see that change, seems like it would help identify bad players and allow everyone to know who is who.

So basically before the game starts the host would gather everyone and go down the signup sheet like roll call, so people can match faces to callsigns. At larger games we have check in but not everone gets to see that way as it's only the host checking off names as people check in.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:14   #107
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'd sure as hell prefer to know what mental conditions you have if you are planning to be playing public games, especially if the condition is causing you to act out in ways that have earned you a ban. It seems more like a convienent excuse to say you have a problem but not to elaborate and expect us all to just take it at face value.
my actions that at defcon were a result of stupidity, not mental conditions
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:18   #108
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my actions that at defcon were a result of stupidity, not mental conditions
Ok, good to have that cleared up, the comments in this thread have made it seem like you were hiding behind them as a defence. Try harder not to be stupid then.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:27   #109
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I want to make this clear, any mental conditions I have affect my interpersonal communications, as well as short term memory, and RARELY affect my judgement, they are mostly disorders that affect social aspects of my life, hence why I am annoying, even at the best of times, please do not keep bringing this up
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:28   #110
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RANT TIME

This kind of situation is exactly the reason why so many vets have hung up the gear and guns altogether, or sworn off public games.

TNL, if any of the allegations are correct, and I have little reason to doubt them, then you're exactly the kind of player that should get a hefty boot in the ass out the front door of the sport. That being said, everyone deserves a chance to change, so you should have that chance.

Many, MANY years ago, we had an actual community of players, instead of a bunch of whining self-important twits with a gen-y sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility. Before the fucking Internet came along and introduced rediculous amounts of asshattery, games were organized over the phone. If you didn't get a call, you didn't go. If you didn't know anyone, someone had to bring you in, and you better fucking believe you were held accountable for your actions.

You would not believe the lengths we went to to acquire the guns in the first place, and the further lengths we went to to play games. It was NORMAL to drive 5 hours to play with 20 people because you had to drive that far to find 20 people to play with.

Where do you think all the vets have gone? We're still playing, but not anywhere you've heard about. Because we can't trust HALF the fucking fucks on here, so we go to private games at private fields, where we know people aren't going to be stupid and those that are get fucked in the face with a combat boot.

Now, any idiot can buy a gun. Any idiot can come on here and learn where the games are, then show up, be a nobody, a face in the crowd, with no accountability for their actions, fuck shit up for everyone, then dissapear.

Its pretty sad that so many skilled, trustworthy and valued players don't play at the public games anymore.
This should be put into the FAQ under MUST READ FOR NUBS, best rant I've ever read in a long time there is so much truth in it, it makes me feel kinda weepy remembering the days when three way calling between the teams and Poncho organizing games weeks ahead is the normal practice.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:31   #111
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I want to make this clear, any mental conditions I have affect my interpersonal communications, as well as short term memory, and RARELY affect my judgement, they are mostly disorders that affect social aspects of my life, hence why I am annoying, even at the best of times, please do not keep bringing this up
This shit needs to be put to bed NOW, Nooblord mental condition is not in questioned here only his behaviour after 6 thread of communicating our message and concerns I think he gets the point so let this shit sleep and If one of teh mods are not to busy please lock this up before this turned to another shitfest.

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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:43   #112
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Very good discourse

The reason for TNL temporary time out was events witnessed by me and reported in general.. I facilitated the discussion about the temporary ban.

an accord of opinion was reached and the ban agreed to and supported by a majority of the experienced hosts. The plan was an over winter ban.. so that he would not be overly inconvenienced as most play is during fair weather.. it was intended principally as symbolic of the new found organization of game hosts working in accord for the overall benefit of the community at large.

The fact that TNL found hosts willing to disregard this ban was NOT HIS FAULT. It does show a disrespect for the will of the community at large. However the fact that there were game host who disregarded the restriction evidences the discord in this community at large.

The Hosts who allowed him to play are responsible for this conversation.. 1. Koolaidman. 2 team ECO, who specifically and knowingly disregarded the opinions of 24 other experienced hosts. ( and yet seek to be numbered within that community .. and even appealed to that community on other issues )

Alex ( TNL ) is capable of behaving in a safe and respectful manner, Evidenced by his successful completion of the CAPS certification course.

This Fact coupled with the fact that some of his questionable antics happened after the course indicates that he lacked the judgement of the inherent risks of AS guns to be considered a safe player. As a result the temporary ban was instituted ( which he disregarded with the assistance of non complying game hosts)

It was decided that a time out would allow him the opportunity to reflect on these issues and return to the community in the spring having sorted through these things and be better for it. This is the basis of any punishment that is not permanent. Rehabilitation was the desired effect.

It is clear by his actions facilitated by some "renegade hosts" that he has not taken the opportunity to heart.

So the only question is what now?

I am not supportive of any permanent ban as his offences do not warrant such. I am inclined to stick to the original term of the ban.. being April 1 2010.

The question is, really is there any point of trying to reach such accords or of organizing at the host / owners level if such action is only to be without effect or recognition within the community?

In short TNL is not the problem here.. the people who disregarded the ban and allowed him to participate while under censure are the problem.

What is to be done about these Offenses? something? nothing? can anything be done?

On a personal note... I find it astounding that people would imbue me with such influence that I could be endowed with " mindless Drones" to do my bidding. I assure you that this is not the case ... If people do come into accord with things that I have said it is due only to the logic and rationality of such things.
I have influence because I tend to follow through and do as I say I will. People indicated that they would support the creation of an association of game hosts and owners .. so I created the conditions that such a body could exist.
That body does not do my Bidding .. Trust me if it did we would not be having this conversation.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:51   #113
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On a personal note... I find it astounding that people would imbue me with such influence that I could be endowed with " mindless Drones" to do my bidding. I assure you that this is not the case ... If people do come into accord with things that I have said it is due only to the logic and rationality of such things.
I have influence because I tend to follow through and do as I say I will. People indicated that they would support the creation of an association of game hosts and owners .. so I created the conditions that such a body could exist.
That body does not do my Bidding .. Trust me if it did we would not be having this conversation.
That comment, I do sincerely apologize, I was flustered because of comments that Daviet had made at that time, and on previous occasions, that were really getting under my skin,
but please don't blame ECO and Koolaidman for this, this is my fault, not theirs, and I don't want to sully their names, just because they chose to be nice to me, they weren't trying to make you guys mad at them or anything
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The apartment I am in right now costs $100 a month.
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They're called priorities. Get yourself some.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:53   #114
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Am i the only one noticing that TNL is not loosing his cool,even tough i would have started a whole lot of shit, if i were him... Way to go dude, keep it up.... That is what they meant by being composed...
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:56   #115
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Am i the only one noticing that TNL is not loosing his cool,even tough i would have started a whole lot of shit, if i were him... Way to go dude, keep it up.... That is what they meant by being composed...
I know that if I went on a rant, I would bury myself instantly, so I'm doing this at my best, at my best, when I fight back all my retard impulses, I be like this, if I lose concentration... well...
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:57   #116
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That comment, I do sincerely apologize, I was flustered because of comments that Daviet had made at that time, and on previous occasions, that were really getting under my skin,
but please don't blame ECO and Koolaidman for this, this is my fault, not theirs, and I don't want to sully their names, just because they chose to be nice to me, they weren't trying to make you guys mad at them or anything
Alex... there is no Blame to be portioned... you wanted to play ... and you found people who accommodated your desire.

Everyone gets to live with their choices.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 15:58   #117
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Unless all the hosts can agree then any ban will be pointless, a nice cliche would be "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link"

troublesome players don't have to worry about the consequences of their actions because of 2 factors:

1. Renegade hosts that will not stick to the bans, and use the logic of "well it didn't happen around me, so I don't care"

2. Anonymity on the Internet, people don't know who is who, people post their +1's with no name and callsigns associated with them, they fuck up at the game and no one is held responsible, unless someone mentions something in the AAR

so what do we do about it?

This is why we discourage noobs from hosting games, as they are more likely to be lenient and allow shit to slide like permit players to use hot guns, bannEd players to play, etc etc.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 16:00   #118
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I know that if I went on a rant, I would bury myself instantly, so I'm doing this at my best, at my best, when I fight back all my retard impulses, I be like this, if I lose concentration... well...
So, that makes you like everyone else.

I' don't buy the " I have a handicap BS " that is why you got Banned ..I Know you can behave and make good choices. You have proven it so.

So when you don't there are ramifications. Just like everyone else
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Old February 14th, 2010, 16:01   #119
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Unless all the hosts can agree then any ban will be pointless, a nice cliche would be "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link"

troublesome players don't have to worry about the consequences of their actions because of 2 factors:

1. Renegade hosts that will not stick to the bans, and use the logic of "well it didn't happen around me, so I don't care"

2. Anonymity on the Internet, people don't know who is who, people post their +1's with no name and callsigns associated with them, they fuck up at the game and no one is held responsible, unless someone mentions something in the AAR

so what do we do about it?

This is why we discourage noobs from hosting games, as they are more likely to be lenient and allow shit to slide like permit players to use hot guns, bannEd players to play, etc etc.
this was mentioned on the host bunker but none want to step up
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Old February 14th, 2010, 16:03   #120
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this was mentioned on the host bunker but none want to step up
Indeed... so many things that could be done.. never are because people would rather talk than do ..
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