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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:19   #16
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SRC and VFC shouldn't require upgrades out of the box.

The JG will for sure.

I can't say anything about the DBoys, I've never seen it.
A new JG shouldn't need "upgrades out of the box"

In fact, No new gun really should. Too often I see new players buy mid to low end guns, and assume that they need to upgrade them, usually before they even get a chance to play with them.

@OP regardless of what brand you buy, Keep it stock for a while, then you can see what about the gun you want to improve (accuracy, power, rof .ect)
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:20   #17
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It would be great if cost wasn't a problem but it is. The SRC, I read somewhere here and some people had trouble with aftermarket parts like the front rails and barrel. I'm really like the VFC 416 tho. Just a lil but much for my wallet. Does anyone have the JG 416 from VA? I want to know what kind of experience they have with that. Seems a lil bit better for a starter gun don't u think?
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:26   #18
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It would be great if cost wasn't a problem but it is. The SRC, I read somewhere here and some people had trouble with aftermarket parts like the front rails and barrel. I'm really like the VFC 416 tho. Just a lil but much for my wallet. Does anyone have the JG 416 from VA? I want to know what kind of experience they have with that. Seems a lil bit better for a starter gun don't u think?
If you get AV'ed you can get a full metal JG 416 on the classifieds, thats probably the way to go. Might be a little over 400 though.

They are actually pretty decent, come with mosfets now too
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:31   #19
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It would be great if cost wasn't a problem but it is. The SRC, I read somewhere here and some people had trouble with aftermarket parts like the front rails and barrel. I'm really like the VFC 416 tho. Just a lil but much for my wallet. Does anyone have the JG 416 from VA? I want to know what kind of experience they have with that. Seems a lil bit better for a starter gun don't u think?
ALL 416 have this issue, it is because the rail on the top is higher than a regular AR type receiver so rails made for an AR won't line up correctly.

The new JG's are great starters and do not need anything out of the box. no matter what brand you brand budget for a good battery and charger.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:32   #20
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All 416 will have "problems" with front ends, since it's not designed the same as a standard M4.

If you want to swap the front end, why choose an HK416? They are (in airsoft) pretty much the same as an M4, except their front end and upper receiver are higher and has a continuous rail.

Internal parts are the usual V2 parts.

@Moretoasties: The bolt wasn't stuck open. It has a bolt lock feature. Just pull then release the bolt handle, it will close. Or, push on the handle and it will close too.

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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:33   #21
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If you get AV'ed you can get a full metal JG 416 on the classifieds, thats probably the way to go. Might be a little over 400 though.

They are actually pretty decent, come with mosfets now too
Yea, I can't wait to get AVed. I'm waiting to meet up sometime next week. I read the Hk416 that TokyoSeven got. That one looks pretty sweet. Do you know if that bottom receiver can be replaced with a metal one?
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:36   #22
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Yea, I can't wait to get AVed. I'm waiting to meet up sometime next week. I read the Hk416 that TokyoSeven got. That one looks pretty sweet. Do you know if that bottom receiver can be replaced with a metal one?
If you buy it off the classifieds, you can get full metal I.E. completely black, with a metal receiver.

Also, I believe Tokyo sevens review is of the Gen 1 JG 416s. The new gen 2s are considerably better. They have overhauled internals, Metal receivers, and mosfet chips.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:37   #23
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All 416 will have "problems" with front ends, since it's not designed the same as a standard M4.

If you want to swap the front end, why choose an HK416? They are (in airsoft) pretty much the same as an M4, except their front end and upper receiver are higher and has a continuous rail.
I'm just asking about the front rail bc if I wanted to change it up sometime in the future, I would like to be sure that parts will fit. From what I have read and all of your responds, it sound like the JG is the best one for me.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:40   #24
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If there is even a small chance of wanting to changing the front end you need to pick a different gun. the 416 is not what you want.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 18:41   #25
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You will most likely have this problem with all HK416, SRC, VFC, JG/VA and DBoys. Their front-end isn't the same as the M4.

If you want to do that, chose a standard M4, and S-Sytem or whatever.

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Old November 30th, 2009, 19:02   #26
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you want to get age verified go play at ttac3 this friday night and ask brian for a rental.
hell av you and you'll get a game outa it
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Old November 30th, 2009, 19:29   #27
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if you want a trouble free HK416 get any hurricane 416 if you can pry it off some people. don't cheap out airsoft is like a car don't expect a ferrari like performance from a honda even if it is all riced up.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 20:01   #28
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ALL 416 have this issue, it is because the rail on the top is higher than a regular AR type receiver so rails made for an AR won't line up correctly.

The new JG's are great starters and do not need anything out of the box. no matter what brand you brand budget for a good battery and charger.
AR accessories bolt on fine (at least to mine). Now for some scope risers you're going to have an issue since there is less space between the rail and the irons. An EOTech 511 or 512 will co-witness fine but a 555 will be a bit tall. An Aimpoint Micro from Huang will be too low on the low rail and too high on the high.

The rail is keyed so the foregrip and upper receiver lock together instead of the more common delta ring type attachment you see on something like a M4. So yes changing the front end out could be impossible. I'm not sure what you'd want to change too, and it seems anyone with a M4 is scabbing rails onto their rifle and pulling the front sight for a gas block so I can't really see that being a negative.

At the end of the day it's an airsoft gun so the only difference between it and most other AR variants is just cosmetic. At the same time if you like the look go for it.

If you want something really unique build one of the proto 416s like in this picture.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 20:16   #29
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i bought one like 2 yrs ago.what i did was change bushing to metal one's,change the spring.the only prob i had with this gun,was the spring on the trigger was missing from day one.(it made it jump into safety at times,put new one in,works great)
i got this gun and it was shooting over 450fps out of the box,but that changed after using it to like 330fps,so i put new spring and now shoot 350fps steady.
with that said this is a great gun for the price.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 20:24   #30
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Wow, there's so much for me to learn. The only reason why I like the 416 is bc of the continuous of the rail system. But now I think about it, if I ever wanted to change the look, it would be a bitch to do. If I got and M4 S-System, that would be just as good with the rail and I could change the front end if ever I need for a different look. I read good things about the 416 quality and the reg m4 has too many variants and too many different probs. If I could find a good price JG version in the classified, I'll just go with that. If not, I'll get a reg M4 with the s-system. Thank you everyone for your input. Its been very helpful,
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