Airsoft Canada
www.jsairsoft.com

Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Information Center > Newbie Tank
Home Forums Register Gallery FAQ Calendar
Retailers Community News/Info International Retailers IRC Today's Posts

Difference between Airgun and Airsoft for CBSA?

:

Newbie Tank

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old November 6th, 2009, 01:45   #1
kullwarrior
 
kullwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Difference between Airgun and Airsoft for CBSA?

Does anyone actually know how CBSA determine whether its airgun or airsoft?
What I'm talking right now is like bolt action gas rifle. how do you determine which one is ok which is not? I'm just wondering how did 007 can get L96 in without clear receiver.
__________________
kullwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 04:21   #2
Dart
 
Dart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Grande Prairie Alberta
they are single shot and can shoot over 407. try searching next time.
Dart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 12:15   #3
Brian McIlmoyle
8=======D
 
Brian McIlmoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto
Quote:
Originally Posted by kullwarrior View Post
Does anyone actually know how CBSA determine whether its airgun or airsoft?
What I'm talking right now is like bolt action gas rifle. how do you determine which one is ok which is not? I'm just wondering how did 007 can get L96 in without clear receiver.
Airgun fires metal pellets or metal bbs Airsoft fire plasitc

Most CBSA presume AS guns are replicas.. whereas they presume Airguns are not.

Clearly retailers are still able to get non clear guns.. there are several that have them for sale all the time .. most of these guys still have their BFA and their permits in place.. or maintain connections with those that do. The larger "public" retailers have switched over to clear receiver retailing because there is way less risk and BS.
__________________
Brian McIlmoyle
TTAC3 Director
CAPS Range Officer
Toronto Downtown Age Verifier

OPERATION WOODSMAN

If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite
Brian McIlmoyle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 13:06   #4
The Saint
 
The Saint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Quebec
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle View Post
The larger "public" retailers have switched over to clear receiver retailing because there is way less risk and BS.
It's crazy not to expect risk and BS, since using a BFL to import airsoft guns for public sale is illegal by definition. That's not what BFL is meant for and using it in such a manner is just waiting to be prosecuted.
__________________
"The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."
The Saint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 15:50   #5
Dart
 
Dart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Grande Prairie Alberta
Quote:
Jordan,

It is single shot only and shoot between 407 to 500fps with 134a gas, therefore it is classified as an uncontrolled firearm, which is legal for civilians.

If it shoots under 407 fps, it's a replica firearm, which is a prohibited device.

If it is capable of doing full auto, and shoot under 407fps, it's a replica firearm as well.

If it can do full auto and shoots between 407 fps, it is a prohibited firearm.

Ken
This is from ken I was asking about the m700. Now as for the l96 he has I dunno how he gets around the fps. maybe it can hit that mark with .12g?
Dart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 16:01   #6
kullwarrior
 
kullwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Hmm thanks for the info so I guess sniper rifle are good like aw338. on propane it's 480fps at 28 degrees.
__________________
kullwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 16:18   #7
Dart
 
Dart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Grande Prairie Alberta
yah, I would still not try to import one my self. I mean the gun would definatly not make it through with out an appeal, than they would have to crono it... just a pita.
Dart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 22:14   #8
Trapper1
 
Trapper1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Stony mountain, MB
It would get seized and you would have to fight like hell to get it back. The CBSA are supposed to use the FPS on the packaging as stated by the original manufacturer as a reference, regardless of BB weight. But the CBSA does not follow their own rules. Its all luck i suppose, maybe you would get an officer who knows what they are doing, Its possible at least.
__________________
Travis R. (aka Trapper)
Canadian Airsoft Marines. Field owner
"GET SOME"
Trapper1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2009, 01:47   #9
kullwarrior
 
kullwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper1 View Post
It would get seized and you would have to fight like hell to get it back. The CBSA are supposed to use the FPS on the packaging as stated by the original manufacturer as a reference, regardless of BB weight. But the CBSA does not follow their own rules. Its all luck i suppose, maybe you would get an officer who knows what they are doing, Its possible at least.
Right now I'm enquiring how to import a airsoft sniper rifle. Basically Im gonna be declaring it as air gun. Before I do, right now I'm trying to figure out how to get it so they can test it immediately.

As for the manual fps specification, I'll ask retailer to search for the number if its on the manual, then don't ship the manual, (or as seperate package) can always ask them to put a chrono fps on there, and if the CBSA want to play ball I'm hoping I can indicate that I've given them permission to sent it to the lab.
All of these I won't go through until I can get a full confirmation on a green light both CBSA and CFC.

Mod if you want to close it feel free,

and as for the projectile, I can get metal bbs.
__________________
kullwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2009, 10:42   #10
Gunny_McSmith
a.k.a. Palucol
 
Gunny_McSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: MTL
Isnt that illegal?
__________________


Quote:
"A workout isn't easy, but neither is being fat, make the right choice"
Gunny_McSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2009, 12:14   #11
MoreToasties
Art affectionado
 
MoreToasties's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North York, Ontario
Quote:
Originally Posted by Palucol View Post
Isnt that illegal?
No, more of a loophole.

Anything shooting single-shot between 407-500 is considered an airgun.

Importing airguns is legal.

I don't see the problem.
__________________
God is a /b/tard.

MoreToasties is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2009, 12:27   #12
Drake
E-01
 
Drake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Montreal, QC
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreToasties View Post
No, more of a loophole.

Anything shooting single-shot between 407-500 is considered an airgun.

Importing airguns is legal.

I don't see the problem.

That's because you've never imported an airgun.

Just because its legal doesn't mean it comes in without a hitch, and I know of several people who imported airguns which got seized anyway (despite the same model being sold at various sporting goods stores). Then its the same hassle as with airsoft, getting it tested at your own cost and MAYBE seeing your gun a few months or a year down the road.
__________________
Drake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2009, 12:31   #13
MoreToasties
Art affectionado
 
MoreToasties's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North York, Ontario
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake View Post
That's because you've never imported an airgun.

Just because its legal doesn't mean it comes in without a hitch
I agree completely, Drake.

I was speaking purely from a legal standpoint.

So, yes it is legal, but difficult and long-winded. IMO
__________________
God is a /b/tard.

MoreToasties is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 8th, 2009, 00:37   #14
kullwarrior
 
kullwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreToasties View Post
I agree completely, Drake.

I was speaking purely from a legal standpoint.

So, yes it is legal, but difficult and long-winded. IMO
well Im gonna try anyways, I'm just trying to cover all the flanks before going forward. I'm hoping to find a way so that it can leave a note to push the CBSA forward instead of the detain n wait (for my permission etc to test)
__________________
kullwarrior is offline   Reply With Quote
ReplyTop


Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Information Center > Newbie Tank

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Airsoft Canada
www.jsairsoft.com

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 16:47.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.