Airsoft Canada
MILSIG

Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Information Center > Newbie Tank
Home Forums Register Gallery FAQ Calendar
Retailers Community News/Info International Retailers IRC Today's Posts

007 SRC Guns

:

Newbie Tank

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old April 4th, 2010, 18:26   #106
Percuvius
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
I originally looked at the gen 3 SRC M4's, but for a little more you can get a much better gun like a VFC.
Percuvius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 4th, 2010, 18:28   #107
Percuvius
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
Quote:
Originally Posted by GODSPEED|seven View Post
I'm really looking into these SRC Gen III G36's.. from what I'm hearing these are pretty high quality for a pretty decent price tag.

Here is SRC's Catalog by the way.. as I've seen some post about SRC not having AK's

And the only gun that shoots 400 FPS stock is the SRC 416, all other guns are in the 330 FPS range. I think the only reason some websites post up 400 FPS is because of the M120 Spring they include..

SRC Full Catalog

Official Website
The gen 3 SRC m4 shoots around 400fps there is a video of it being chrono'd at Capital Airsoft VS the KWA
Percuvius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 4th, 2010, 18:42   #108
kalnaren
 
kalnaren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Quote:
Originally Posted by GODSPEED|seven View Post
I'm really looking into these SRC Gen III G36's.. from what I'm hearing these are pretty high quality for a pretty decent price tag.

Here is SRC's Catalog by the way.. as I've seen some post about SRC not having AK's

And the only gun that shoots 400 FPS stock is the SRC 416, all other guns are in the 330 FPS range. I think the only reason some websites post up 400 FPS is because of the M120 Spring they include..

SRC Full Catalog

Official Website
I thought we went over it the other day... FPS means nothing.
__________________

Quote:
"Someone in a Prius tried to race me at a stop sign the other day. I couldn't believe it. I had him for the first 100 feet or so but I can only walk so fast."
kalnaren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 01:59   #109
GODSPEED|seven
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Arrow

Quote:
Originally Posted by Percuvius View Post
I originally looked at the gen 3 SRC M4's, but for a little more you can get a much better gun like a VFC.
What is so much better about VFC? To be honest after lots of reviews I've read on the VFC SCAR, I wasn't too impressed, especially considering the price tag.. Sure I've read a few reviews of the SRC's that weren't the best, but I've read more positive reviews of SRC Gen III's than I have of the more expensive VFC's.. But please expand on what you mean by "much better gun".. thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by Percuvius View Post
The gen 3 SRC m4 shoots around 400fps there is a video of it being chrono'd at Capital Airsoft VS the KWA
I am NOT arguing, but I like to be proven wrong sometimes

SRC's OWN catalog advertises the 416 as 400 FPS.. and ALL the other guns, including all the M4's either 300 FPS or 330 FPS..

If those guns did shoot 400 FPS off the bat, would it not be in their own interest to advertise it?? I mean, they would maximise their marketing to up sales by any means necessary, no??

I've only ever seen stores (or store reviews) advertise the 400 FPS while most reviews that are not linked to stores do confirm the average of 330 -360 FPS for most SRC Gen III's (except the 416 which seems to be a solid 396 - 408 FPS)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kalnaren View Post
I thought we went over it the other day... FPS means nothing.
yes we have... but what do you mean?
GODSPEED|seven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 02:50   #110
TokyoSeven
Red Wine & Adderall
 
TokyoSeven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Saskatoon, SK
FPS does not make a person a better player. While FPS does play into the factor of how fast rounds get down range it does not necessarily mean that a person who has an AEG with higher FPS will be better player than a person whose AEG has lower FPS.
__________________


"Its only a little bit on fire"
TokyoSeven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 03:47   #111
GODSPEED|seven
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by TokyoSeven View Post
FPS does not make a person a better player. While FPS does play into the factor of how fast rounds get down range it does not necessarily mean that a person who has an AEG with higher FPS will be better player than a person whose AEG has lower FPS.
Yes, I am very well aware of that, but puzzled as to why he commented that..

I was pointing out to the fact that most stores say that Gen III SRC's all shoot at 400 FPS while the SRC Official catalog advertises much lower.

I am personnaly NOT looking for the most powerful AEG; matter of fact, I am going for the SRC G36K which is advertised at 330 FPS... So, I just don't understand the relevance of his comment.

Maybe i didn't word my previous comment properly, but nothing in it seems to point towards higher FPS being better..
GODSPEED|seven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 04:36   #112
Percuvius
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
Quote:
Originally Posted by GODSPEED|seven View Post
What is so much better about VFC? To be honest after lots of reviews I've read on the VFC SCAR, I wasn't too impressed, especially considering the price tag.. Sure I've read a few reviews of the SRC's that weren't the best, but I've read more positive reviews of SRC Gen III's than I have of the more expensive VFC's.. But please expand on what you mean by "much better gun".. thanks



I am NOT arguing, but I like to be proven wrong sometimes

SRC's OWN catalog advertises the 416 as 400 FPS.. and ALL the other guns, including all the M4's either 300 FPS or 330 FPS..

If those guns did shoot 400 FPS off the bat, would it not be in their own interest to advertise it?? I mean, they would maximise their marketing to up sales by any means necessary, no??

I've only ever seen stores (or store reviews) advertise the 400 FPS while most reviews that are not linked to stores do confirm the average of 330 -360 FPS for most SRC Gen III's (except the 416 which seems to be a solid 396 - 408 FPS)



yes we have... but what do you mean?
In my opinion the VFC is a much better gun and no comparison in build quality especially externally .SRC has an ugly PLASTIC lower receiver, go with SRC if you want, but I'm sticking with my opinion.
Percuvius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 04:45   #113
skalnok
 
skalnok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: barrie, ontario
src may have an ugly plastic lower as you put it but that is just a metal body away and its internals arent proprietary like the vfc's
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by matt491 View Post
...stalker's gonna kill you....and you wont even see it coming! Hell, he'll kill you and god himself will be going, "Where the hell did that come from!?" CDN_Stalker should just be the new god!
skalnok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 08:41   #114
Percuvius
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver
Quote:
Originally Posted by skalnok View Post
src may have an ugly plastic lower as you put it but that is just a metal body away and its internals arent proprietary like the vfc's
Metal body away = more money than just buying the superior VFC to begin with and you can internally mod a VFC easily, but it already is high quality internally.
Percuvius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 08:54   #115
Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw
 
Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mississauga, ON -- The Brotherhood Of Eternal Sleep
Quote:
Originally Posted by GODSPEED|seven View Post
Yes, I am very well aware of that, but puzzled as to why he commented that..

I was pointing out to the fact that most stores say that Gen III SRC's all shoot at 400 FPS while the SRC Official catalog advertises much lower.

I am personnaly NOT looking for the most powerful AEG; matter of fact, I am going for the SRC G36K which is advertised at 330 FPS... So, I just don't understand the relevance of his comment.

Maybe i didn't word my previous comment properly, but nothing in it seems to point towards higher FPS being better..
The reason it was brought up was because you keep bringing it up. FPS means nothing is a way of saying that theres no reason to use FPS as a way to decide, or describe a gun. You also keep harping about "advertised as ___ fps" and so one, when in the end a $15 spring change is all that stands in a 280 fps gun and 400 fps gun (not without other upgrades that can allow the gun to use the higher fps spring without failing other parts). Worry about FPS when you actually have the gun, chrono'd it and decide on what kind of games you want to play (indoor with lower fps vs outdoor with higher fps).
__________________
My trust is in whiskey, in weed and in Slayer, its GODDAMN ELECTRIC - Pantera

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pliskin View Post
This is the equivalent to knocking on deaths door and blowing his head off with a shotgun.
Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 10:35   #116
GBear
 
GBear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Waterloo, ON
Send a message via MSN to GBear
Quote:
Originally Posted by GODSPEED|seven View Post
What is so much better about VFC? To be honest after lots of reviews I've read on the VFC SCAR, I wasn't too impressed, especially considering the price tag.. Sure I've read a few reviews of the SRC's that weren't the best, but I've read more positive reviews of SRC Gen III's than I have of the more expensive VFC's.. But please expand on what you mean by "much better gun".. thanks
What kind of VFC SCAR reviews were you reading. Every single one I've read, people have been extremely impressed with it. I actually just bought one myself as my first airsoft gun. It came on Thursday but no one was home to sign for it. I would've given you my personal opinion on it. It's going to come this afternoon and I'll tell you how it is.

However, from any of the reviews I've seen, as well as, other players' experiences, the VFC is right up there on the top of the list.

I chose this gun because I didn't want the typical M4/M16 AR. The SCAR seemed a little more unique on the field IMO.

I'm very new to the sport so I'm not sure about the build quality and material of the VFC SCAR is, however, I do know one thing that has been stressed on the forums time and time again. You get what you pay for.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chayce View Post
I wish I could upload a few gameplay videos of me on Alliance of Valiant Arms for you guys to compare to.

I am not familiar with airsoft.

What my question is, does the element of surprise work on a typical airsoft match?
GBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 11:09   #117
Donster
 
Donster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ontario
i wish VFC still made their 416 series. I want one so badly.
__________________
(SFW:Check out this band!)www.myspace.com/maryroseobsession
Donster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 13:30   #118
GODSPEED|seven
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Percuvius View Post
In my opinion the VFC is a much better gun and no comparison in build quality especially externally .SRC has an ugly PLASTIC lower receiver, go with SRC if you want, but I'm sticking with my opinion.
The "plastic" is the same one used on the real steel.. its nylon reinforced fiberglass. I would NOT want metal on a G36. I've read quite a few horror stories of VFC having to be sent back on day 1 for broken pins and triggers not working properly; piston heads having to be changed because they wouldn't last long, etc.. Ok, sure the full metal body is awesome, and beleive me, I am also thinking of getting either a VFC or ICS full metal body, but give me something to work on here. SRC Gen III G36's are 380$ near my place, and even sometimes on sale for cheaper, that with a smart charger and decent starter battery would come out to 480$ before taxes. The VFC is going for over 600$ and that without batteries, so easily 700$ + before taxes, does the over 200$ really justify the internal quality of VFC vs. the Gen III SRC Gearbox v3 ? For a noob? (I'm just trying to follow some experienced players advice here: Not to care about FPS, and to get something noob-friendly: G36 seems to be on the top of the list for that)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Percuvius View Post
Metal body away = more money than just buying the superior VFC to begin with and you can internally mod a VFC easily, but it already is high quality internally.
And from the reviews I've read, the SRC G36's have VERY VERY good internals.. I would like someone to tell me EXACTLY what is better about the internals. I really hope I am not misunderstood, I just like to get some precise answers, something to change my noob mind, I need something concrete to work on here. Just because everyone says its better, doesn't mean I'll also jsut go buy one for that.. just give me concrete examples as to why a VFC SCAR would last longer than an SRC G36 (internally! externals I don't care about right now).. Most users here I think will agree the G36's are really a good way to go for a first AEG, they're noob-friendly and all :razz: Is the almost 200$ higher price tag on a VFC worth it for a noob like me?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw View Post
The reason it was brought up was because you keep bringing it up. FPS means nothing is a way of saying that theres no reason to use FPS as a way to decide, or describe a gun. You also keep harping about "advertised as ___ fps" and so one, when in the end a $15 spring change is all that stands in a 280 fps gun and 400 fps gun (not without other upgrades that can allow the gun to use the higher fps spring without failing other parts). Worry about FPS when you actually have the gun, chrono'd it and decide on what kind of games you want to play (indoor with lower fps vs outdoor with higher fps).
In this case I apologize for bringing that up altogether, I think I have been very misunderstood / I didn't explain clearly enough what I meant. IN NO WAY WAS I TRYING TO SAY HIGHER FPS IS BETTER.. THE FACT I AM GOING FOR A GUN ADVERTISED AT 330 FPS SHOULD POINT TOWARDS THIS... BECAUSE I AM NOT FOCUSING ON FPS AT ALL, IT IS NOT WHAT I AM PLACING MY BETS ON. That was to comment on an earlier post further up this thread about the fps these aeg's put out.. has absolutely nothing to do with deciding on what gun to get or not. I was also pointing towards the fact that most stores use this as a marketing ploy to get buyers to go for it.. that is all! So can we stop flamming me about the whole FPS thing? (If I knew it was that time of month for most of you, I'd have shut up.. O: ) I was stating a fact, not giving a personal opinion..

*Sometimes I do have trouble explaining what I mean, so for this I apologize.. I know how touchy the FPS thing is, so trust me when I say I am not trying to face execution/flamming here! * O:
GODSPEED|seven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 13:44   #119
Shooting Addict
* KNOWN LIAR *
 
Shooting Addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mississauga, ON
I prefer SRC internals over VFC internals since the SRC guns I've creaked open seem to be made of higher quality materials then VFC guns. If your getting a G36 the gun is supposed to be made of nylon fiber not metal. I find a G36 is a excellent choice for a starter gun since it has excellent mechbox design(V3) and the externals on a SRC are solid. GODSPEED seven ignore people like Percuvius who think since it's metal it's better.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TokyoSeven View Post
You can tell a person over and over that 4 + 5 = 9 and show them the mechanics of how addition works, but at the end of the day when you look into their eyes you know damn well that in their heads they still see 4 + 5 = pineapple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilson View Post
Harden the fuck up, you liberal pussies.
Shooting Addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2010, 15:06   #120
TokyoSeven
Red Wine & Adderall
 
TokyoSeven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Saskatoon, SK
From an internal perspective the VFC scar uses a V2 mechbox and a G36 uses a V3 mechbox. While some people speculate that V2's have a weaker design and may some day break, I believe that a well maintained version 2 mechbox that has been properly assembled will last a very long time if treated appropriately.

The only bonus in my eyes is that after upgrades or maintenance a user can test a V3 mechbox without having to partially reassemble their AEG.

Honestly I think debating which gun is better is pointless so I will contrast the companies instead. Also I'm not going to bother going into detail about each and every little internal part of each companies mechbox compared to the other. I will give you one example:

SRC currently uses cylinder heads that have dual Orings, while VFC uses cylinder heads that have 1 Oring. Take from that what you will.

If you want more specific details you can do your own research.

Here is a little history on both companies.

VFC has been producing airsoft guns for a little while now, they are extremely meticulous about the detail of their products externals and use fairly high quality materials in order to produce a quality product. In the past VFC used to produce their products with plasticy/polycarb like internals and a not so great quality wiring setup, however most users found the quality of these internals to be sufficient, those who did not merely swapped out what they did not like for something that they felt was more durable. VFC has recently been producing producing their recent AEGs with good quality wiring, non plasticy/polycarb like internals and have even moved onto using reinforced 7 or 8mm bushing mechboxes. VFC boasts that their internals are vigorously test and can provided the durability required to run lipo batteries out of the box.

Like VFC, SRC is not a new comer to the airsoft gun market. However only in the last few years has SRC produced anything remotely close to being called a quality item. Since SRC appeared on the airsoft market they have created low cost low quality items hidden behind shoddy metal externals that drew attention away from the atrocity was their quality control. Recently though SRC has appeared to have revamped its line with new generations of many existing models. These 3rd generation guns boast higher quality internals (compared to their previous lack of quality internals) that supposedly support the required durability for lipo battery use right out of the box. They have come a long way from where they began.
__________________


"Its only a little bit on fire"
TokyoSeven is offline   Reply With Quote
ReplyTop


Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Information Center > Newbie Tank

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Airsoft Canada
MILSIG

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:00.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.