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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:40   #31
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Those two no not that I know of but after you get verified there are some one or two that will but be warned it takes time + money and they will sometime only do custom orders every so often.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:44   #32
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so what do you think about my original question? which gun(and model) do you think is better, without upgrading?
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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:45   #33
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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:52   #34
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this would be my choice as well, but which brand I could not answer, it is not on my to buy list so I have not researched any.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:52   #35
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For sure the 416. Parts are a lot easier to obtain due to its inherent Armalite platform. And when I said Velocity Arms's HK416, its under the "custom line" link in AEG's. But honestly, that gun costs $350. If you decide to go with a metal body, chances are that'll run you up to $200. So...close to $600 total. For that you can get a retailer to get a full metal gun in for you. It might take a bit longer but its well worth it.

And no, AV'ing doesn't cost money. Just need a valid ID.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 03:59   #36
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Thanks! from what i asked about the 416 and the 556, you can see what style of gun im after. Any sugestions to some i might not have seen? i was looking at the V4-S system, they all kinda seem the same, i know there not, but visually i like this style. Any other sugestions guys?
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Old October 28th, 2009, 04:21   #37
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Hmm, the 556 and 416 are pretty different guns, but I'd stick to the 416. The M4S isn't too bad. Honestly between the 416 and the M4S I'd go with the 416. A lot of M4's out there, and the 416 just stands out =)
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Old October 28th, 2009, 04:26   #38
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can i get a 416 full metal in canada? would probably run me like $500? or more? all the ones i see online have clear or inted plastic recivers
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Old October 28th, 2009, 10:25   #39
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Yes once your AV you can get a full metal 416. $500 sounds like a good place to aim for. Some could be more, some could be less. Only way to know is to get AV. No it does not cost anything for the AV process but it will cost you thousands in the long run with airsoft purchases, as the airsoft addiction makes heroin look like childrens tylenol. Those retailers you mentioned don't sell non-clear guns, but there are a couple in the AV section of retailers that do sell full black, full metal guns at a higher premium of course.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 12:36   #40
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I wouldn't hesitate to talk with the guys at Section 8. People have said repeatedly in this thread that they are "sketchy" but no one who has posted here has ever bought a black airsoft gun from them as far as I can tell (if I'm wrong, correct me please). That makes their opinions on the topic worth as much as a pile of cow dung. Also, Section 8 DOES NOT import any black airsoft guns on their own; all of their guns come from a source WITHIN Canada. They ask for payment up front because they don't want people ordering guns left and right and then not paying/picking them up when they arrive. People are right however in saying that they don't carry much in stock; that's more of a cash flow decision though.

If you like the 416, get the 416. I own a CYMA/Sig 556, and yes, its made by CYMA. It's very well made, very solid, and it chrono's about 370 stock with .20gr BBs. The only knock on it is the rear sight, which is a small flip-up affair that is recessed into the top rail. I put a King Arms EO Tech clone on it, and everything works great. So far, 100,000 rounds without a hiccup.

In the end, buy from whomever makes you comfortable, gets you what you want, and makes the process the easiest it can be for you. Good luck!
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Old October 28th, 2009, 17:30   #41
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I wouldn't hesitate to talk with the guys at Section 8. People have said repeatedly in this thread that they are "sketchy" but no one who has posted here has ever bought a black airsoft gun from them as far as I can tell (if I'm wrong, correct me please). That makes their opinions on the topic worth as much as a pile of cow dung. Also, Section 8 DOES NOT import any black airsoft guns on their own; all of their guns come from a source WITHIN Canada. They ask for payment up front because they don't want people ordering guns left and right and then not paying/picking them up when they arrive. People are right however in saying that they don't carry much in stock; that's more of a cash flow decision though.

If you like the 416, get the 416. I own a CYMA/Sig 556, and yes, its made by CYMA. It's very well made, very solid, and it chrono's about 370 stock with .20gr BBs. The only knock on it is the rear sight, which is a small flip-up affair that is recessed into the top rail. I put a King Arms EO Tech clone on it, and everything works great. So far, 100,000 rounds without a hiccup.

In the end, buy from whomever makes you comfortable, gets you what you want, and makes the process the easiest it can be for you. Good luck!
Well, most of us say S8 is "sketchy" simply because they offer full black guns within Canada, and they are a paintball shop. Some people have said they smuggle their guns across the border to get them in here. So I don't know how true that is, but given that some people actually have done some digging, I'm willing to save my own money and go with safer alternatives.

OP: Go with the classifieds, if not, the AV retailers. Lot's of goodies there.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 10:25   #42
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Well in my opinion the 416 and the m4S are the way to go, get some paint and enjoy your new gun that will never weigh you down while in game That said, you seem to like the heavily railed guns. Is that what you want? Lots'o Rails? In that case the M4S has two stubby rails and a third longer rail with full through top rail. The 416 has full rails on the sides and bottom, and though it looks like two peices, I bet the top rail is full through aswell.

The SIG is a pain to work on for the series, but I have not seen the 556 in its STANAG ready reciever. It would be a world of a difference to me if it was easier to dissassemble. About S8, call them get your questions aired out and forget these people that are speculating. They are the local shop here and they treat people right (paintballers can be good people too).
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Old October 29th, 2009, 15:18   #43
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You nailed it! I like heavily railed guns. i guess the sig is unanamusly to complicated, so the m4 series is what i will probably look at. The A&K DPMS M4 Carbine S.I.R. looks pretty bad ass, as well as the G&G PM416-S. Any thoughts of thoses?
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Old October 29th, 2009, 16:05   #44
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I can't speak to the G&G 416 as I have never owned or handled one. I will say that G&G guns in general are of very good quality. I have had other models that had "demons" out of the box, but it is rare.

As for the DPMS M4 S-System, there are two versions, one made by A&K with a metal upper receiver and one made by JG with an all-plastic body. Internally, I like the JG better (better quality components). Velocity-wise, the JG guns tend to chrono a bit higher (usually in the 375-390 FPS range with .20gr BBs versus 360ish for the A&K). The A&K version does have the metal upper, which is very important to some people.

If you are planning to do some basic upgrades, I would opt for the A&K version. If you are planning on using it stock for quite a while, go with the JG version.

You can tell the two versions apart by the color of the receiver, straight black is the A&K, while the JG has a gray color to the receiver. Good luck and enjoy!
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Old October 29th, 2009, 16:24   #45
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Don't bother with BuyAirsoft. They have horrible reviews and occasionally one random person will have a good deal. They also have a 20 day wait. (at least). Plus the G&G416 isn't a 416. The 416 does NOT have a triangular front sight. Plus there are no markings.

Trust me. If you're going with the 416 you won't regret it. There are several versions (at least for AV'ed people; DBoys, JG, VFC). They are worlds apart from most of the Clearsofts.

The VA416 is a good alternative if you have something wrong with AV'ing. But then again they're not in stock. Just get AV'ed. Really.

BTW, the 416's better because its got a continuous top rail, all the way back to the charging handle. Much easier to adjust sights and scopes. The other three rails are normal length.
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