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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:02   #1
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New Airgun enthusiast..

Hey, I recently started looking around stores for some guns, mostly for collections but maybe to play around with (safely) with friends. I got a P312 Stinger from a local Canadian Tire, but their stock seems to be running low.

A few questions about the next steps for me:

The p312 boasts its ability to use heavy ammo, the weight of the bb's that came with it are advertised to be .20g. I know that it can use lighter ammo, (I have some left over from my days in South Africa) but obviously the bbs will not act the same way (be affected by airflow etc more visibly). Are there any problems with getting heavier bullets? Besides the obvious "It won't be propelled near it's advertised trajectory" as per laws of physics. Could it hurt the gun in any way? I've noticed the BB-Bastard logo around here a bit and they seem like a good retailer for bullets. Is there anything else I should know before ordering bullets from them? (I can't seem to find the .20g bullets at the CTire near me).

Second, as most of you probably already know, the P312 is an air soft spring based weapon. I'm looking to try and find, at least one, co2 powered gun. I am not averse to it being any particular style but pistols are much easier for transport and storage. However, the cheapest pistol the Canadian Tire by me has is $100 (And from looking around that doesn't seem too bad of a price). It's also crosman, and is a little smaller than the p312 though I am unsure of the model. They had a crosman rifle (again, unsure of the model) for ~$85, and right now, being a university student, I'm more conscious about price than size. Having a somewhat difficult to store item that's cheaper could be preferable to a more expensive but smaller version. Another preference is a semi-automatic function, which I'm not sure how many rifle-styled guns would have that.


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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:07   #2
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airguns and airsoft are not the same thing, airuns shoot 4.5mm BB's and airsoft shoots 6mm MM BB's neither of them shoot bullets.

BB bastard is a good brand, yes and they can be purchased from a number of retailers, this site has a classifieds section where airsoft guns can be purchased but they are expensive, read the faq section for more info.

canadian tire/walmart crap is not airsoft, it is clearsoft aka crapsoft and we do not care to discuss that shit on this forum
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:15   #3
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personally save up more money and wait your in university so you should be of age so go and get age verified you wan't something of a decent qaulity expect to spend anywhere from 200-1000 for something decent and go out to games and meet people .
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:17   #4
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Welcome new user

airguns and airsoft are not the same thing, airuns shoot 4.5mm BB's and airsoft shoots 6mm MM BB's neither of them shoot bullets.

BB bastard is a good brand, yes and they can be purchased from a number of retailers, this site has a classifieds section where airsoft guns can be purchased but they are expensive, read the faq section for more info.

canadian tire/walmart crap is not airsoft, it is clearsoft aka crapsoft and we do not care to discuss that shit on this forum
Ah I see, the gun I got from them seems like relatively decent quality compared to guns I've had in the past.

I know they aren't the same thing, but I'm an enthusiast of both yet I only own one of the two types.

I'll check out the FAQ section when im done responding to the next post. Thanks for the welcome.
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personally save up more money and wait your in university so you should be of age so go and get age verified you wan't something of a decent qaulity expect to spend anywhere from 200-1000 for something decent and go out to games and meet people .
Quality is something I may go after once I've completely decided if it's something i'd like to put a fair bit of money into. A cheapish air gun would be good to start with.

Where do I go to get age verified? And what kind of process is it?
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:20   #6
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http://www.airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21 for info on age verification
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:23   #7
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You don't want to start out with a canadian tire gun.

You will be HORRIBLY out-ranged by everyone on the field and it will prove to be a VERY poor experience for you.

Save up 200-300 bucks and get a clearsoft G&G line.

Verification depends where you live, You have to meet up with a verifier and show them government issued ID to prove you're 18+

If you're in Manitoba, we can meet up and I can verify your age

I'm a seller of BB-bastards for Manitoba, There's pretty much a seller in every province. However, I don't think your Canadian Tire gun will have the velocity to use heavier than .20 gram BB's
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:23   #8
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You find a age verfifier in your city there a list somewhere on the site .you meet him and show him your id ,airsoft and airgun cannot ever be confused airsgun are way more dangerous and should never be used in an airsoft game if you wan't to try out don't buy from crappytire find a game signup and ask around for a rental for that game and try it out like that instead of wasting money on cheap crap that is nowhere near the qaulity of something that costs a bit more.

what city do you live in?

seems people were a bit quiker then me ;p
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:25   #9
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Pretty much because we want to try and protect airsoft from minors acquiring guns and bringing them to school or generaslly being irresponsible and getting shot or killed then some soccer mom lobby group tries to ban it. Were basically trying to nip the problem at the root.

Also the fact that minors haven't really developed their part of the brain that helps them make good choices. Note, some minors are actually really responsible however they are few and far between, heck I wouldn't have trusted my 16 year old self with airsoft.

SO If you're 18+ you'll meet with an Age Verifier, usually at the field or you can meet with them after work or on the weekend something (I met my AV rep at Tim Hortons, wouldn't even take the coffee/food I offered). Whatever it doesn't really matter where you meet them, heck you could both decide to go to a strip club and do the verification there. The AV reps have been entrusted with ensuring you are who you say you are and 18+. They take down some basic info (name, and age) and submit that info to the Admins on this site. After that when the admins decide to flip the switch to give you your AV tag then you'll have access to the classifieds. This whole process can take up to 3 weeks or more however usually the admins are pretty good about it and they do batches every week or two.
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Ok so i sent a Pm to an age verifier in my area (Durham Region) and I'll wait to see if he gets back to me. Though I can understand the need for quality in a full on game with other people who have put in a lot of money, price is a big concern. Even if I'm just trying out the actual mechanics of shooting at targets in my own house I should wait for a $200+ gun?

Does anyone sell used guns for cheaper? That may be worthwhile for me.

EDIT: yeaaaa.. just as I finished posting that I took out my second clip and realised a piece was put in backwards... I'm trying to rectify that right now :/

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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:38   #11
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Oh man.. 200+ is for the cheap crap.. but it's still a real airsoft gun.

A GOOD airsoft gun you're looking at about $550-$800
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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:41   #12
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oh man...

just use the search and look up "first gun"

there's tons of threads where people are looking for their first guns, alot of good info there, the common suggestion is to get a kraken, but im not going to get into that, do some research on this site about that gun and you will find out for yourself.

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Old October 15th, 2009, 16:45   #13
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Um 200 is more for something used you never know you might get a good deal!

Think of airsoft as paintball but less like the circus and more like rainbow 6 and without the paint .

Is that a good way of explaining it?
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Old October 15th, 2009, 17:03   #14
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Its understandable that your price conscious but keep in mind that in order to really get the thrill and enjoyment out of airsoft you will need to pay for it. You can't really get the feel of it with the bottom tier guns as they will not last long enough for you to really get your monies worth. The adage "Buy cheap buy twice" applies to airsoft in the strictest sense.

There is no rush for you to get one now, save whatever money you have and keep pooling your money in a piggy bank of sort and with this time you can research this sport and the guns involved so you can make an educated decision when purchase time comes. Keep in mind that in order to play you will also need to invest in a number of other mandatory as well as optional items to purchase. Mandatory includes goggles, batteries (you will need aftermarket batteries, the ones that come with a new gun are craaaaaaaap), a good quality charger (see note about the stock batteries), good pair of boots (this may be the most important part of your kit after your goggles), then after you compile those you can get into things like BDU (Battle Dress Uniform, camo in lamens terms) tactical vests to carry your gear around, extra magazines, and I could keep going on and on but that should give you an idea.

So again, if your on a budget just take it slowly and don't be afraid to buy a $500 gun because even if you don't like it, as long as you didn't FUBAR the gun it retains its resale value.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 17:20   #15
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I can very well understand the need to go expensive if you're after a good first experience. And I will likely take your advice.

What kind of happenings go on in the winter here in Canada (I'm near Toronto), do outdoor games still get played but with a different set of BDU and warmer attire? If nothing really happens I'll wait till spring to look into investments, but if they do I'll talk to the guy I'm trying to meet for age verification about it and look into one of the more pricey guns.

On another note, I fixed the other clip I got. One of the pieces that governs how the ammo is inserted was in backwards, so it was trying to force it upwards instead of down. That caused a problem inserting more than one bb, I just took the clip apart and got it back together all fine without any missing parts
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