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Old August 29th, 2009, 08:17   #1
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Sale of stolen property?

Question.

I'm a noob here. I will freely admit that.

That said, what is the board policy regarding the sale of stolen property?

I managed to get Age Verified, and have been a part of several deals that, in truth, went well, however, in two of the three cases, I've been handed Ex-Canadian Forces property.

One of those items could possibly have been sourced from a surplus store, the other item has NOT EVER been surplussed by DND. (ITAR prevents selling those items as surplus.)

So.

Is there a board policy regarding the sale of stolen property? Or is it fair game but don't get caught?

As a noobie to this, I don't want to come across all high and mighty, but I'm also not willing to exchange my 17+ year career and my security clearance for a few accessories used in a game.

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Old August 29th, 2009, 09:17   #2
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Isn't the unauthorized sale of DND property a criminal offence?
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Old August 29th, 2009, 09:52   #3
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First of all, ITAR is a US Government regulation. Canada has other laws that address this type of thing.

I brought the issue up many years ago when "attractive" items like tacvests, brand new full sets of cadpat etc started appearing here on the boards for sale. Now it's even worse since there are more sought after items like the cadpat gloves and smallpack.

There was a fellow from Petawawa selling a truckload of obviously stolen kit about 2004, and I actually documented everything and turned it over to the MPs. The response "we don't look into it as the problem is too rampant and we don't have the resources". So that's the official DND response.

What can you do? Ask to see the item info tag w/ the NSN. This is where items will be marked if they have been surplussed. Think it's stolen? Don't buy it. CADPAT "combats" are harder to tell, some new stuff does go direct to surplus stores as "imperfect/slight defect" that the average person can't tell; ie one arm 2cm longer than the other.

IMHO most of the gear that is stolen then sold to civies is utter shit compared to other COTS alternatives made by good gear makers like Eagle, HSGI etc. What anyone would pay $300CAD for a tacvest when they could buy a sweet setup elsewhere is beyond me.


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Old August 29th, 2009, 10:49   #4
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First of all, ITAR is a US Government regulation. Canada has other laws that address this type of thing.

I brought the issue up many years ago when "attractive" items like tacvests, brand new full sets of cadpat etc started appearing here on the boards for sale. Now it's even worse since there are more sought after items like the cadpat gloves and smallpack.

There was a fellow from Petawawa selling a truckload of obviously stolen kit about 2004, and I actually documented everything and turned it over to the MPs. The response "we don't look into it as the problem is too rampant and we don't have the resources". So that's the official DND response.

What can you do? Ask to see the item info tag w/ the NSN. This is where items will be marked if they have been surplussed. Think it's stolen? Don't buy it. CADPAT "combats" are harder to tell, some new stuff does go direct to surplus stores as "imperfect/slight defect" that the average person can't tell; ie one arm 2cm longer than the other.

IMHO most of the gear that is stolen then sold to civies is utter shit compared to other COTS alternatives made by good gear makers like Eagle, HSGI etc. What anyone would pay $300CAD for a tacvest when they could buy a sweet setup elsewhere is beyond me.
I don't know if you can go by just the NSN. I have some kit legally bought at base supply that isn't market surplus.. I could sell it without issue.

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Old August 29th, 2009, 13:08   #5
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It's not the NSN you're looking for, but the "R" stamped on the tag. Yes agreed alot of bin rats can not properly mark things, but it's a good general rule to follow.
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