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Old June 16th, 2009, 22:46   #1
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GBBR questions.

Okay...

So, I'm not new to Airsoft, but like many - new to GBBR's (gas blow back rifles). I figured this would be the best place to chat about them.

I don't know about anyone else but, I can honestly see GBBR's being a major part of the future of Airsoft.

Here's the problem, from what I can see...

It's like the first-ever-made car. It's REALLY neat, but somewhat unpredictable and unreliable.

I've seen many threads about the downfalls of specific parts and different problems arising, but after all - is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

I would like to, after the kinks have been worked out, DEFINATELY get one...

The problem being - how long do we think might it be until these new toys ARE reliable (without 1000+ in upgrades and replacements) and usable in a large scale?
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Old June 16th, 2009, 22:50   #2
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I would give it a year of 2
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Old June 16th, 2009, 22:52   #3
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You can work out the kinks wonderfully

How? Daytona Guns

These guys make custom Steel internals for GBBR it does come at a hefty cost depending on how big or how many parts you need. And sometimes you would have to send your internals to be custom machined so they know what parts you are looking for. They even have some internal upgrades to fix the old Maruzen MP5K from crapping up

Heres an example of their work
http://www.airsoftgasblowbacks.com/

or

You can wait perhaps a year or two for companies to overcome their learning period for GBBR's and wait for them to get better. AGM is the closest clone and cheap.

There are also drop in kit is available from RA-Tech and many more things to come
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Old June 16th, 2009, 22:53   #4
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I would give it a year of 2
After seeing the reviews of the WE M4 AWSS, I'd say less time than that.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 22:55   #5
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wait 2 years... GBBR's are a fad.

Until there's more than 30 rounds per $80 magazine... AEG's will still reign supreme.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 23:08   #6
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the 50rnd AGM mags are 3 for $108 USD, and reportedly with a little TLC quite good. Only time will tell I suppose.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 23:41   #7
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GBB rifles are not new. Before the AEGs, airsoft was all GBB.

IMO, it's a waist of money if you intend on gaming it. I hate Gas guns, simply because of the poor quality of the seals and general unreliability. And even if your weapon would work flawlesly, there won't be any gaming for you in low temperature, wich will cut more than half of your game time.

It's a fad that keep comming back and keep making people spend on a useless WOW toy.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 23:45   #8
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True... and it's probably the WOW factor that grabs me.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 00:15   #9
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Technically, all of airsoft is useless WOW toys. Do with your money what pleases you. Most people have more than one primary - so if one doesn't work in cooler weather, use another. So long as you and those around you have a good time, why not.
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Yep, mags for the WA/Ino/G&P/AGM series at least are a reasonable price now.

http://gasguns.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1081

Sounds like quality control is a little iffy on the AGMs, but functionality seems fine. I would also say wait a bit longer to see what the major problems (if any) are with the actual firing system.

So far, the major issue with WA based GBBRs is mag leakage, and bolt face/carrier/chamber/hop-up breakage. What I'm impressed with is that there doesn't seem to be many problems with the trigger/hammer/fire control system, which is the downfall of many a GBB and arguably the most difficult thing to repair.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 16:49   #11
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Technically, all of airsoft is useless WOW toys. Do with your money what pleases you. Most people have more than one primary - so if one doesn't work in cooler weather, use another. So long as you and those around you have a good time, why not.
Yup, but "career" airsofter tend to buy stuff that work for games. And will keep working for a long time.
A cool GBB is cool and nothing else, it's not really a functional and reliable peice of equipment.

I'm not dissing the collectors and the seriously infected G.A.S. people.
It's just that if you want to lean out your airsoft budjet and buy only the necessary, that kind of weapon is not a good investment.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 17:12   #12
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GBB Rifles will continue to improve, the challenge right now is the balance between a low-cost gun and one that will last a long time (better materials).

Once those quirks are worked out you'll have something that will last a long time with proper knowledge and maintenance.

Costs of GBB magazines will go down, as of now GBB Pistol magazines are as low as $9USD a piece for Marui guns.

The only thing that will always pose a problem however is cooldown in cooler climates. But there already is a "solution" to that just the majority of airsofters don't like the idea of having a hose + external tank :P
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Old June 17th, 2009, 17:19   #13
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Not to mention that if you shoot too much, you lose air pressure and your rifle will freeze, jam or shoot at very low fps.

If you don't have a regulator, like in paintball gun, this will happend.
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