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Old March 9th, 2009, 18:44   #31
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typically the government (especially in a court case)don't use "thats what we mean" definitions.

'antique: The US government considers any item over 100 years old to be an antique, whereas most collectors use 50 years as a benchmark.'

regardless of style I believe a broomhandle mauser fits the defenition of antique. INFACT, other definitions are more lax... saying an antique is something old, and can be covetted for its craftsmanship.
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'antique: The US government considers any item over 100 years old to be an antique, whereas most collectors use 50 years as a benchmark.'
This isn't the US.

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"antique firearm" means

(a) any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition, or
(b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm
So, no Mauser broomhandles.
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typically the government (especially in a court case)don't use "thats what we mean" definitions.

'antique: The US government considers any item over 100 years old to be an antique, whereas most collectors use 50 years as a benchmark.'

regardless of style I believe a broomhandle mauser fits the defenition of antique. INFACT, other definitions are more lax... saying an antique is something old, and can be covetted for its craftsmanship.
ok go order one and see what happens then...
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im not going to.

jesus you guys are touchy.

Im not a smuggle guy im just quoting a damn judge, it will be alright!
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This isn't the US.



So, no Mauser broomhandles.


7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

Was the broomhandle modified to fire any of the above? My research tells me no...

Cartridge
7.63x25mm Mauser
9x19mm Parabellum
9 mm Mauser Export (rare)
.45 ACP (China)

BUILT IN 1896.

this, my friend, is before 1898
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You're quoting irrelevant (and uncited) case law in a way that's misleading. It sounds like you're suggesting broomhandles are antiques, therefore ok to import. They are not.

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7.63x25mm Mauser
9x19mm Parabellum
9 mm Mauser Export (rare)
.45 ACP (China)
Those are ALL centre-fire ammunition.

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7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

Was the broomhandle modified to fire any of the above? My research tells me no...

Cartridge
7.63x25mm Mauser
9x19mm Parabellum
9 mm Mauser Export (rare)
.45 ACP (China)

BUILT IN 1896.

this, my friend, is before 1898
You know what all your "facts" add up to?

A nice piece of paper with the words "Seizure Notice" on it, and 3 options for how you would like your nice new "antique" gun disposed of

So go ahead...you want to be wrong and strong, order the gun and see what happens.
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You're quoting irrelevant (and uncited) case law in a way that's misleading. It sounds like you're suggesting broomhandles are antiques, therefore ok to import. They are not.



Those are ALL centre-fire ammunition.

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like you said, those are all centre-fire. You've got it right! thats what I'm saying!

Sorry, before i forgot to include the prefix of what i said before.

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The firearms listed below are antique firearms for the purposes of the definition antique firearm in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code. An antique used in the commission of some criminal offence will count as a firearm for any weapons charges.
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You know what all your "facts" add up to?

A nice piece of paper with the words "Seizure Notice" on it, and 3 options for how you would like your nice new "antique" gun disposed of

So go ahead...you want to be wrong and strong, order the gun and see what happens.
you need to take a step back. Never did i say im heading down to the states to smuggle these across. I merely posted this in a relivant thread for some food for though. Just take it easy please. I dont think im sort of revolutionary loop holer
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you need to take a step back. Never did i say im heading down to the states to smuggle these across. I merely posted this in a relivant thread for some food for though. Just take it easy please. I dont think im sort of revolutionary loop holer

the point is that, regardless of whether you or I believe that a Broomhandle Mauser is an antique, the CBSA (the people who matter) do not classify it as such and therefore any attempts to import such a gun in Airsoft form will end in seizure.

so you know what, don't try to smuggle it, there would be no need to smuggle it as it isn't prohibited correct?
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