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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:20   #1
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Anyone Ever Had A Gun Confiscated ?

Hi Guys; I got a totally hypothetical question for you all this morning.

God knows none of us would ever try to import an Airsoft Gun from outside of Canada, because we all know that it is wrong and immoral.

So lets just say, that some "lame ass", ordered an Airsoft gun from Kaznikistani, and it happened to get searched by Customs Officials at the Border, what happens from there?

I have heard rumors that the item gets confiscated, and sometimes it gets sent back to the sender. But other than that what else can happen to the sender or the sendee?

Do any of you guys know "a guy" who has a friend that tried to do this, and what was the punishment for the indiscretion?

**Disclaimer**In no way shape or form am I condoning or recommending this activity to anyone, it is just something that I have always been curious about.

Thanks for reading

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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:31   #2
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Here you go, seized, appealed, and appeal dismissed.

http://www.citt.gc.ca/appeals/decision/ap2g013_e.asp

You can find many of these if you go over the CBSA publications.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:32   #3
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Nothing happens to the sender. The gun will be seized, you will be black listed and have most incoming parcels searched for the next five to seven years, and if they feel like it, the CCRA can charge you with the importation of prohibited devices.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 16:19   #4
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well it happened to a friend of mine. they determine weather its a replica or a toy. They took it and he was out of the money. but nuttin happened really they just said they were sorry but we got to take it.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 16:40   #5
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Sad Sad Appeal. The guy had no chance.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 17:16   #6
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Yes, I have. If you import the right airsoft guns properly, declare them impropery as replica firearms (which they really are not), under proper personal and business licenses and credentials, they seize them anyway because they are knuckleheads. Then you formally appeal the seizure and amps penalties and require them, in writing, to send the devices to the RCMP labs for forensic testing and determination, per there memorandum D-17-42, and then you go through about a year of farting around with an appeal to the recourse directorate in Ottawa, and the Minister of Public Safety; they gave them all back and dropped the amps penalty and seizure (after trying to get the investigations section to criminally investigate me); THEN, if you can stick with the same supervisory Agent at the same port from there on (and he doesn't hate your guts but wants to play nice because you filed a conduct complaint against him in conjunction with the seizure and amps penalties) you will be able to import them. I own enough real airsoft guns to arm a small country and they are in Canada. At least I won. I can't say more than that. As I am new on the board I am wearing asbestos underwear and now ready to be flamed, ridiculed, and scoffed by all the guys who think I am making this up.

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Old January 26th, 2009, 17:18   #7
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Here you go, seized, appealed, and appeal dismissed.

http://www.citt.gc.ca/appeals/decision/ap2g013_e.asp

You can find many of these if you go over the CBSA publications.
Good read tho. I was especially intrigued by the definition of Antique Firearms.

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“antique firearm” means

(a) any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition, or
(b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm.
From what I can gather, if it's a replica of a firearm that is considered Antique, the airsoft replica would be legal. Therefore that would mean that say a Mauser C-96 (circa 1896) airsoft gun would be legal. The Luger P-08 (circa 1898) might also fit in this category.

Can anyone verify this ?

If it's true, there might be a lot more WWI-WWII milsim in the futur lol
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Old January 26th, 2009, 17:23   #8
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Mauser used centre-fired ammunition, and is therefore not an antique firearm.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 17:31   #9
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True but the "firearms expert" at each port usually does not know that. With the firearms and CBSA directives so screwed up and conflicting, it is relatively easy to get them to screw up a seizure and penalty.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 18:04   #10
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Yea.

They seize it, you got a letter from the customs. You have 3 option:
-Let them burn it
-Contest the seize (no chance)
-Send it back to the sender. You have 1 month if I remember to do that
That take like 2 week to finally send it back but you receive the letter 2 weeks after the seize so...

For blacklist, not all the time. I'm not blacklisted. I import alot of other thing (ebay, airsoft accesories) and no package were open.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 21:36   #11
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antique firearms typically applies to muzzle loaders and powder guns.

What the stupid thing is, is that these guns are legal to import, but powder is restricted to import, and importers are allotted a specific amount they can import at one time, making powder as hard to fine as airsoft.

well i guess its time for a GML airsoft!! (gas muzzle loader) they would use verrryy thin loading rods
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Old January 26th, 2009, 23:54   #12
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I know someone who received everything that was legal in his order..... the EMPTY boxes

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