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Old October 25th, 2008, 14:02   #16
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A thunderflash is a military grenade simulator, lots of folks have probably heard one so I figured I'd ask for a comparison.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 14:36   #17
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sorry i do not know where my VFC gas grenade went ATM. prolly at my friends house lol... i don't think its painted on...at least from the feel of it it doesnt. and what is thunder flash?
The reason why I feel its painted is because the black colour chipped off in some places even after 1 day of use - just had it yesterday and ran about 2cylinder of 12g through it... Mostly around the head and the bottom of the body...

If its anodised, thats not supposed to happen right?
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Old October 25th, 2008, 14:52   #18
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Anodizing and painting are both surface treatments which can ding off and reveal a bright aluminum surface.

The GSG body is anodized and the spoon and detonator head are painted.

The pin pull isn't too hard, but I wouldn't wire it for a tripwire application. As a booby trap, the best bet is to hold the spoon down with something (say push it into a cup) and use the tripwire to pull the device out of the cup. You would want to use some sort of ingenuity to let the wire pull free of the device instead of having it drag around everywhere when the wire is pulled. Tying off directly to the grenade would probably have the grenade getting hoofed into the bushes if a runner hits the wire fast.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 14:52   #19
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Anodizing and painting are both surface treatments which can ding off and reveal a bright aluminum surface.

The GSG body is anodized and the spoon and detonator head are painted.

The pin pull isn't too hard, but I wouldn't wire it for a tripwire application. As a booby trap, the best bet is to hold the spoon down with something (say push it into a cup) and use the tripwire to pull the device out of the cup. You would want to use some sort of ingenuity to let the wire pull free of the device instead of having it drag around everywhere when the wire is pulled. Tying off directly to the grenade would probably have the grenade getting hoofed into the bushes if a runner hits the wire fast.

Ideally you'd want the grenade to stay close to where you originally set it.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 16:38   #20
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Ideally you'd want the grenade to stay close to where you originally set it.
Tying the grenade to the cup would solve that problem. The cup of course would need to be fixed in place solidly though.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 17:36   #21
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Staking the grenade down still needs a means for the tripwire to break free from the grenade. Perhaps a thread pulls the grenade out and snaps when the grenade pulls against the stake. There are many ways to skin this cat really. Whatever you do, it probably would be best to set up your trap so the grenade doesn't go rocketing off into the bushes (the GSG-1 kind of jumps around when it goes off) and the tripwire also shouldn't yank the grenade far from the setup point so you need the tripwire to pull free once it's done it's job.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 17:48   #22
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You tie the grenade down and attach the wire to the cup. That way the cup goes flying and the grenade stays right where you put it.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:37   #23
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New to the game... just found out about the GSG. Is it permitted on most fields? I mean, a 124 decibels is pretty loud, specially if the thing goes off right beside you!
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:44   #24
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Never mind... just saw the other post.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:49   #25
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What is the volume like compared to a thunderflash?
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No, the thunder flash is way louder from my own experience. Like 150 dBSPL versus 120 dBSPL. Like someone else said like the crack from a .22 rim fire against a .45 CAP.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 19:15   #26
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As per T-flashes.... yeah... deffo louder than 120 Db!! By far I would say... 150 SPL sounds about right. Although, not sure what the SPL for a T flash would be though... I find it funny to imagine a bunch of sound engineers standing around with an SPL meter while T-Flash went off ; P

Relative to the environment I guess.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 12:40   #27
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I used to be a an audio engineer before I joined the CF. Any reading taken within 3' is considered to be "At Source". They likely dropped it down a tube into a chamber and measured from the top of the tube. Thats how the dB SPL ratings are taken for a rifle (fireing into a bullet catch chamber and measuring out the top) so I'd imagine the process is similar for TFs as well. They'd likely use remote detonation too.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 21:16   #28
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Anodizing and painting are both surface treatments which can ding off and reveal a bright aluminum surface.

The GSG body is anodized and the spoon and detonator head are painted.

The pin pull isn't too hard, but I wouldn't wire it for a tripwire application. As a booby trap, the best bet is to hold the spoon down with something (say push it into a cup) and use the tripwire to pull the device out of the cup. You would want to use some sort of ingenuity to let the wire pull free of the device instead of having it drag around everywhere when the wire is pulled. Tying off directly to the grenade would probably have the grenade getting hoofed into the bushes if a runner hits the wire fast.

Ideally you'd want the grenade to stay close to where you originally set it.
i never thought of the cup idea. thats a great idea, let the cup go flying with the trip wire and anchor the device. wow simple but very affective at the field i play at where a old cup on the ground is not out of place.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 21:37   #29
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I find it a little expensive to be trown into rooms and possibly lost in a hole.

145$ the grenade and 75$ for the Co2 adaptor...

Madmax should make us a cheaper alternative.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 21:41   #30
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He has its an adapter for his tornado grenade
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