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Old September 5th, 2008, 08:03   #1
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Interesting bit of news about possible issues with Bioval BBBMAX 0.27g BBs. Breaking windshields, windows, etc...

http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/in....msg103334#new
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Old September 5th, 2008, 11:39   #2
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Old September 5th, 2008, 13:58   #8
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Check out page 4 of the Berget-events thread; dude's truck window got messed up so bad it shattered.

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Old September 5th, 2008, 14:33   #10
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You need to be running 570 fps to get the results you're after.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 15:05   #11
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You need to be running 570 fps to get the results you're after.
Those results were obtained with "field legal" guns. It's those BBs that are messed up.

If you've ever seen a spark plug (porcelain) getting thrown at a car window, you know what I'm talking about.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 15:12   #12
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From Arnie's Airsoft http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/3988

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Bioval respond to ‘broken window’ allegations

Published by Marlowe
on 16:50 September 5, 2008
in Manufacturer News and The Rumor Mill


Bioval have been in touch regarding the allegations made here about their new ‘BBBmax’ range of ammunition.

Here’s some brief extracts of the statement they have made in response:
We do not recommend shooting 0.27g bbs at 560fps or 3 footpounds (170m/s or
4 joules) against car windows since high velocity projectiles will tend to shatter the target into small bits and pieces.
The author of the post states that they fired the 0.27g BBBMAX at 170m/s (560 fps) this is equal to approx. 4 joules of energy. Most EU countries have a 1 joule limit and in most game fields there are very strict rules regarding AEG velocities.
The vital points here are:
(1) The EU (EN Standard) and USA (ASTM ) standards and laws upon which they are based prohibit the sale and marketing of bbs that shatter upon impact.
The test parameters are very strict but enforcement is very difficult and as you can imagine very few producers respect this norm. The Bioval BBBMAX is over and above the minimum test parameters needed to achieve certification.
(2) The BBBMAX was specifically designed for use by Military and Law Enforcement (MILPOL) training centres in the US, Australia and Europe. The specifications are far superior to normal bbs and so are the ballistic properties. Breaking windshields and windows was one of the many requirements. In this respect the BBBMAX has performed to specifications.
(3) WE DO NOT RECOMMEND modifying your AEG to fire at over 1 joule. Shooting the 0.27g BBBMAX at 170m/s is extremely dangerous and WILL cause damage on your target.
(4) Please use certified full face protection. We suggest you evaluate the same full face protection used by Military and Law Enforcement agencies rated to stop shotgun blasts and other high velocity projectiles and shrapnel.
(Bioval)
To read the statement in its full detail or to view the attached literature Bioval have kindly included on the safe and appropriate use of their BBBMAX range, please click here.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 15:13   #13
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You need to be running 570 fps to get the results you're after.
They were using a PTW with a 90 and a 130 that is like 330 and 430 ish.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 15:15   #14
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Old September 5th, 2008, 15:18   #15
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I'm surprised Bioval even felt necessary to respond to the allegation that their BBs are too hard.
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