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Old August 27th, 2008, 17:12   #1
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Cool THE REAL WORLD OF MAKEBELIEVE

I shot IPSC/Three Gun/Formal for about twenty years.
Nothing ever shot back. About four years ago I took a team to the Speed Ball Nationals in Calgary. We (Country Cousins) got wasted by a wall of paint.
While I was there I met a group of Air Soft sellers with some very impressive gear. After the usual introductions we discussed Fire Arms in General and C/68.
I was told a story about the time these merchants were on their way to a show and came across an accident. Being "on the scene" they were questioned by the RCMP. During the questioning the police took a look inside their van. To make a long story short more RCMP were called in to "Escort" my new friend to the station for questioning about the contents of the van.
How closely in Airsoft connected to the real side of C68?
For example: Are they restricted to mag capacity , rate of fire etc?
Where does one find find the rules governing the sport or is it wide open.
I could ask these questions in other forums but your the ones shooting at each other so I reckon you know what works.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 17:24   #2
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I sense two questions in your post but I'm not sure

it is indeed much harder to shoot a target when it moves, shoots back and yells insults at you.You learn viciousness

for the legal part of the sport its simple: the fight club does not exist.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 17:52   #3
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I sense two questions in your post but I'm not sure

it is indeed much harder to shoot a target when it moves, shoots back and yells insults at you.You learn viciousness

for the legal part of the sport its simple: the fight club does not exist.
Shhh! Don't talk about it, damnit! Rule no.1!!
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Old August 27th, 2008, 17:58   #4
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To put it simply:

Airsoft is not officially recognized under the law...which leaves interpretation of the law open from officer to officer. Therefore, the guns, which are not replicas and are not firearms (but exhibit characteristics of being both), are not recognized by C68.. (unless I totally missed something.)

We survive as a sport through self-regulation, low-key behaviour and staying just off the radar.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 18:19   #5
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To put it simply:

Airsoft is not officially recognized under the law...which leaves interpretation of the law open from officer to officer. Therefore, the guns, which are not replicas and are not firearms (but exhibit characteristics of being both), are not recognized by C68.. (unless I totally missed something.)

We survive as a sport through self-regulation, low-key behaviour and staying just off the radar.
Well...

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3. Air guns that are replica firearms

These are air guns that are not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but that were designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices.

In particular, some air guns that are commonly called air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal or lead.

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http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/airguns_e.asp

While they are not ALL replicas, they are prohibited, or so the law says.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 18:28   #6
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In particular, some air guns that are commonly called air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal or lead.
That one word is what saves our asses. Guns will be assessed on a case-by-case basis when the need arises. Till then (until someone does something stupid), the majority of law enforcement won't mess with airsoft users / owners.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 18:32   #7
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Agreed. It does help!
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Old August 27th, 2008, 19:37   #8
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To put it simply:

Airsoft is not officially recognized under the law...which leaves interpretation of the law open from officer to officer. Therefore, the guns, which are not replicas and are not firearms (but exhibit characteristics of being both), are not recognized by C68.. (unless I totally missed something.)

We survive as a sport through self-regulation, low-key behaviour and staying just off the radar.
I ALWAYS get the bullshit "replicas are prohibited because of realistic likenesses" So whether they are actual firearms or not, well.. Prohibited is a fun word to say but its not very fun to experience....



Prohibited.... hehe....
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Old August 27th, 2008, 22:01   #9
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there is no fightclub.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 22:13   #10
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Old August 28th, 2008, 10:13   #11
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In Manitoba, the RCMP have typically been notified ahead of time whenever there is a large OP in a rural area.

I have never seen or heard of an RCMP Officer arresting or seizing any gear/guns at all. As a matter of fact, a few payed a visit to an OP I was at once just to check it out. I can't for the life of me remember which one... I'm sure one of you Manitoban Airsofters can help me out.
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To put it simply:

Airsoft is not officially recognized under the law...which leaves interpretation of the law open from officer to officer. Therefore, the guns, which are not replicas and are not firearms (but exhibit characteristics of being both), are not recognized by C68.. (unless I totally missed something.)
Technically, airsoft is no more or less recognized than toy guns, paintball markers, airguns or anything that imitates a firearm without being one. This is because the terms "airsoft", "paintballer" and whatever else denotes a purpose that the law simply doesn't care about. The law is only concerned with the physical characteristics of the devices and whether they were used in crime.
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Old August 28th, 2008, 13:19   #13
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Wink WALKING THE LINE

I would like to thank you/all for the understanding concerning my inquiries.
I have a lot of questions and feel free to mention if I cross any lines.
First of all Iam over 60 so I go a ways back in the Fire Arms community.
These statements I make are not brag just fact.
Also what I say may not be of interest to anyone on this board.
Iam not A/V but do not see any issues with the process.
This group seems to be well/self regulated.
Because I don't do well with stupid , I have been involved with Fire Arms Legislation since the 70's.
Warren Ullman and later Allan Rock along with the "Lieberal" Govt. have done everything they can to erode our freedoms and ownership of private property.
In my innocent ignorance I reckoned I could purchase the gear of choice and get involved with Air Soft. Part of the problem is I spend a lot of time in the USA. Every hobby shop has a wall full of A/S and accessories.
To keep this thread short. My idea was to convert my P/B field and property into an A/S venue. I donated my P/B business to the local church and we still use the field to play. A/S is the next level and I can see if Iam going to get there I had better pay attention.
KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY.:smile:
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Old August 28th, 2008, 13:24   #14
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I would like to thank you/all for the understanding concerning my inquiries.
I have a lot of questions and feel free to mention if I cross any lines.
First of all Iam over 60 so I go a ways back in the Fire Arms community.
These statements I make are not brag just fact.
Also what I say may not be of interest to anyone on this board.
Iam not A/V but do not see any issues with the process.
This group seems to be well/self regulated.
Because I don't do well with stupid , I have been involved with Fire Arms Legislation since the 70's.
Warren Ullman and later Allan Rock along with the "Lieberal" Govt. have done everything they can to erode our freedoms and ownership of private property.
In my innocent ignorance I reckoned I could purchase the gear of choice and get involved with Air Soft. Part of the problem is I spend a lot of time in the USA. Every hobby shop has a wall full of A/S and accessories.
To keep this thread short. My idea was to convert my P/B field and property into an A/S venue. I donated my P/B business to the local church and we still use the field to play. A/S is the next level and I can see if Iam going to get there I had better pay attention.
KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY.:smile:

Good to hear. Its always good to hear about people helping out the airsoft community.
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