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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:22   #16
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If you do it on ASC, it will become a shitshow very quickly, and nobody will do business with anybody, because everyone will have negative reviews, guaranteed.

Don't think it would happen? ASC members bitch and complain about everything, and posting up in a thread is easy to do when you have company in your complaints. It's a little different to man up and leave negative feedback without getting sucked into a mob mentality.

We've all seen mopic and LeGros get shit on, and in their own threads even. Nobody would be safe.

If I was a mod and saw a review on a person, I would kill it and there's be a warning at the very least. Users who have problems with users deal with it between themselves or start a trade dispute. Airing shit like that in public is childish and ripe for malicious baseless alllegations that can't be un-said once said.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:25   #17
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If you do it on ASC, it will become a shitshow very quickly, and nobody will do business with anybody, because everyone will have negative reviews, guaranteed.

Don't think it would happen? ASC members bitch and complain about everything, and posting up in a thread is easy to do when you have company in your complaints. It's a little different to man up and leave negative feedback without getting sucked into a mob mentality.

We've all seen mopic and LeGros get shit on, and in their own threads even. Nobody would be safe.

If I was a mod and saw a review on a person, I would kill it and there's be a warning at the very least. Users who have problems with users deal with it between themselves or start a trade dispute. Airing shit like that in public is childish and ripe for malicious baseless alllegations that can't be un-said once said.
IF the retaliatory fedback IS policed then yes, there is no need for reviews.......

But think on this: It was an ADMIN who once told me if I had a problem with a seller to post the problem PUBLICALLY as that usually makes the seller straighten things out....
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:40   #18
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There is no need for reviews on people, period. Deal with matters yourself. I've bought dozens and dozens of guns, tons of parts from pretty much every retailer that has existed in Canada in the last 5+ years, and never needed to give negative feedback, or post negative reviews.

You haven't bought 1/10th what I have, yet you have posted up alot of issues. Am I lucky, not a chance.

There are case where it's warranted, but going public is chicken shit, especially for something like $30. The principle of the matter means nothing when it makes a person look like a whiner or complainer. I've had deals where I paid $30 for an item I know I could ship for $10. So what? Nobody forces anyone to buy anything.

See how easy it is to become a shitshow, and I'm being nice. Your response could be to let it go and not post up, or it could become ugly. And this isn't even about a specific deal that one guy says is good, but the other party is bitching. Now imagine endless threads on this, from every keyboard commando with a grievance.

It just makes us all look like a bunch of whiny babies with toy guns. Real nice!!
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:45   #19
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There is no need for reviews on people, period. Deal with matters yourself. I've bought dozens and dozens of guns, tons of parts from pretty much every retailer that has existed in Canada in the last 5+ years, and never needed to give negative feedback, or post negative reviews.

You haven't bought 1/10th what I have, yet you have posted up alot of issues. Am I lucky, not a chance.

There are case where it's warranted, but going public is chicken shit, especially for something like $30. The principle of the matter means nothing when it makes a person look like a whiner or complainer. I've had deals where I paid $30 for an item I know I could ship for $10. So what? Nobody forces anyone to buy anything.

See how easy it is to become a shitshow, and I'm being nice. Your response could be to let it go and not post up, or it could become ugly. And this isn't even about a specific deal that one guy says is good, but the other party is bitching. Now imagine endless threads on this, from every keyboard commando with a grievance.

It just makes us all look like a bunch of whiny babies with toy guns. Real nice!!
I too have purchased items which I could have purchased cheaper over the seas. I've had TWO public problems, one was lack of communication, and the other was being ripped off. Both I had tried to handle privately until things degraded. I then contacted admins and was TOLD to post them publically!
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:49   #20
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Actually you can be held liable for reviews in papers etc. You should see the insurance policies and litigation departments that most papers have for just that purpose.

You can also be held liable for an opinion published on the internet.

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Really? So one has to answer for any 'bad' opinions? And so if one's opinion is negative towards someone/something so much that it causes them/it harm, then he/she will be awarded a penalty? For some reason the ideal of free speech just shattered in my brain.

Obviously there's a fine line seperating the freedom of speech idea and slander, but if I go and say "Lawdog is a no good doodoo head" (which is clearly untrue ) and Drache believes me and backs out of a buying something from Lawdog, I can be punished since my opinion cost Lawdog some money? Yet, it's not like I put a gun to Drache's head and forced him to believe me, he decided of his own free will to heed my words. This is why I'm not a law student, too confusing.

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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:55   #21
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Really? So one has to answer for any 'bad' opinions? And so if one's opinion is negative towards someone/something so much that it causes them/it harm, then he/she will be awarded a penalty? For some reason the ideal of free speech just shatter in my brain.

Obviously there's a fine line seperating the freedom of speech idea and slander, but if I go and say "Lawdog is a no good doodoo head" (which is clearly untrue ) and Drache believes me and backs out of a buying something from Lawdog, I can be punished since my opinion cost Lawdog some money? Yet, it's not like I put a gun to Drache's head and forced him to believe me, he decided of his own free will to heed my words. This is why I'm not a law student, too confusing.

(sorry for using you two in my example )
No worries

But yes, to make it more clear:

Lawdog is selling a TM M92 GBB and I agree to buy it. Nik12 posts in the sales thread that Lawdog is a thief and calls him names and because of that post I back out of the deal, that is Slander/Defamation/Libel.

BUT:

If Nik12 posts about how he paid for something and never received the product or it wasn't as described and because of this I choose not to contact Lawdog at all about his TM M92 GBB, this is NOT Slander/Defamation/Libel.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:57   #22
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just an idea, make a poll for each retailer EG. Juggelz, Huang .ect then give a few options; good, bad, fast shipping, good customer service ect...
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:58   #23
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You haven't bought 1/10th what I have, yet you have posted up alot of issues. Am I lucky, not a chance.
How did you come to this conclusion? Our trader ratings are both 26 and 100% and you don't know the business I do online which doesn't involve ASC (I deal on NIA and ASK) not to mention the stuff I buy which isn't airsoft related....
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Old July 25th, 2008, 18:59   #24
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Lawdog is selling a TM M92 GBB and I agree to buy it. Nik12 posts in the sales thread that Lawdog is a thief and calls him names and because of that post I back out of the deal, that is Slander/Defamation/Libel.

BUT:

If Nik12 posts about how he paid for something and never received the product or it wasn't as described and because of this I choose not to contact Lawdog at all about his TM M92 GBB, this is NOT Slander/Defamation/Libel.

This is exactly the reason that trader ratings are used, not reviews about retailers or other users (which in fact the ratilers are). This why you have 200 characters to write your beef about a deal in the trader rating.

Sorry poking at you earlier Drache, but I was trying to elicit a response similar to this from your or someone else.

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How did you come to this conclusion? Our trader ratings are both 26 and 100% and you don't know the business I do online which doesn't involve ASC (I deal on NIA and ASK) not to mention the stuff I buy which isn't airsoft related....
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Old July 25th, 2008, 19:01   #25
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This is exactly the reason that trader ratings are used, not reviews about retailers or other users (which in fact the ratilers are). This why you have 200 characters to write your beef about a deal in the trader rating.

Sorry poking at you earlier Drache, but I was trying to elicit a response similar to this from your or someone else.
No worries, but like I said before, if it's true that retaliatory feedback is policed then you are right, feedback is the way to go!
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:48   #26
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Again the baby cry!! You really need to grow up, it clear the trouble it not the retaillers, it you! That why there is thread close, because you only cry!
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Old July 27th, 2008, 23:48   #27
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Again the baby cry!! You really need to grow up, it clear the trouble it not the retaillers, it you! That why there is thread close, because you only cry!


Just 1 word!! LOL!!!!

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Old July 27th, 2008, 23:52   #28
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Again the baby cry!! You really need to grow up, it clear the trouble it not the retaillers, it you! That why there is thread close, because you only cry!
Wow a noob who can barely speak english brings this thread back.... go back to your milk and cookies lil boy your mommy is looking for you...

As for you Christian maybe before posting in something like this you might want to stop stealing money from your customers You've already got 3 bad feedback out of 26?

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Old July 28th, 2008, 03:11   #29
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Like I said above, people wont leave honest feedback because of retaliatory feedback....

If you pay instantly without hassle, only to get a defective product, wrong product, or just plain ripped off money wise, and leave the retailer bad feedback, the seller is allowed to leave you bad feedback without giving a real reason!

But personally I believe a RETAILER should be treated more "special" than a normal seller on the classifieds! If you have a stickied post in the classifieds, you should be allowed to be reviewed!

I believe that the only way for the feedback to be 100% effective is you have to list a VALID reason why negative feedback was left and link to the ad! A simple "bad buyer do not deal with" or whatever is NOT A VALID EXPLINATION!
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Old July 28th, 2008, 03:22   #30
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Again the baby cry!! You really need to grow up, it clear the trouble it not the retaillers, it you! That why there is thread close, because you only cry!
ironic that you showed up last time legros was getting shit on and your name is just like ww2warior.... good job barny good job.
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