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Old March 24th, 2008, 20:32   #16
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No duty. I've never paid any border fees from eHobby, and I've made over 10 orders from them. I paid $15 shipped for 1900 round bags of 0.28's. And the wait time is not bad, 7-10 business days every time.
You've gotten lucky.

The next batch of .28 bastards are coming in at 2000 count at $15 a bag, so its basically the same but its available locally (ie: nationally).

This summer should be good in terms of availability at the field. I've signed up a lot of ass bastards (associate bastards) so in the Ontario and Quebec regions at the very least, most places you should be able to find a bastard at the game to buy from. That saves you shipping.

I do importing in significant quantity to get it as low as I do. For a quality product you're hitting the price/shipping/manufacturing ceiling on BBs. On the flip side, with the US dollar being on par, you're not seeing much difference in price between Canada and the US on the same quality product. If you're going to buy a subpar product just shoot in the basement, you might as well buy crossman .12's. I would not recommend reusing BBs - they do deform on impact, sometimes you can't see the deformity but its enough to jam your feed path. Keep in mind the clearance tolerances we're talking about here are upwards of .02mm - any amount of deformity when you've got that tight a tolerance is going to lead to potential jams or ripping of your hopup rubber. And AEG repairs are far more expensive than BBs.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 20:43   #17
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i get walmart bbs all the time i use a shit load of them never had any problems with them
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dick around with wallmart BBs and game with the good stuff... thats all i can suggest
Walmart / Crosman BBs are .12s and many have bad seams and deformities that can jam your gun. And they're about the same price as buying BB Bastard .2s that are as perfect as you can get in a BB.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 22:25   #18
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You've gotten lucky.

The next batch of .28 bastards are coming in at 2000 count at $15 a bag, so its basically the same but its available locally (ie: nationally).
If you can do $15 shipped I'll buy some, cause that would be the same price. But I don't think that's what you mean.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 23:03   #19
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If you can do $15 shipped I'll buy some, cause that would be the same price. But I don't think that's what you mean.
Not shipped. Once I have a ass bastard in Sask, thats another matter (75% of my customers don't pay shipping because they buy from a Bastard at a field at a game or at a regional store). But I sincerely doubt what you're buying is equivalent to what I sell, but each to his own, I'm not critical of those who decide to run other brands, my value pitch is not a pure price one and I don't cater to the lowest price buyer either. I keep my prices high enough to cover costs, stay in business and deliver a good product. Beyond that buying offshore, with offshore buying YMMV. All I know is I import BBs and I pay a shitload of customs duties and taxes on what I bring in. In small quantities through int'l shipping you may be getting under their radar, but those same rules apply to you as to me or anyone else importing, no matter what the quantity. They just haven't caught you yet.

EDIT: Yeah, followed your link. Those are Excel, KSC and something called 'ToyJet'...

'nuff said.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 00:29   #20
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Heh, you can say that again about the insane duties and taxes.

$10 for 2000 rounds of .20g Bastards or $17 for 4000 rounds of .20g KSCs may seem to be a whole lot of money but actually, it comes down to $0.004 each time you pull the trigger.

Styrak: i provide BB bastards to the west coast and the prairies for the sake of keeping shipping costs down; if that helps...
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Old March 26th, 2008, 00:34   #21
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i do love KSC BBs and you sell them at a much lower price than what i pay for
i got to keep you in mind next time i need BBs
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Not shipped. Once I have a ass bastard in Sask, thats another matter (75% of my customers don't pay shipping because they buy from a Bastard at a field at a game or at a regional store). But I sincerely doubt what you're buying is equivalent to what I sell, but each to his own, I'm not critical of those who decide to run other brands, my value pitch is not a pure price one and I don't cater to the lowest price buyer either. I keep my prices high enough to cover costs, stay in business and deliver a good product. Beyond that buying offshore, with offshore buying YMMV. All I know is I import BBs and I pay a shitload of customs duties and taxes on what I bring in. In small quantities through int'l shipping you may be getting under their radar, but those same rules apply to you as to me or anyone else importing, no matter what the quantity. They just haven't caught you yet.

EDIT: Yeah, followed your link. Those are Excel, KSC and something called 'ToyJet'...

'nuff said.
I'm not bashing your brand or saying they're too expensive or anything. Never tried em actually. It's just that I bought the Toy-Jet 0.28's and they seem smooth and seem to work fine, so that's what I bought 2 more bags of. Maybe someday I'll try yours.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 03:32   #23
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What are the cheapest bbs available? I've been using BB bastards and madbull bbs for the past few months but I'm starting to go through them at an alarming rate. I'm a very frequent basement shooter and I manage to pull about 500 rounds on average per day. At an average of $21.23 for 4000 rounds, it's starting to become an expensive habit. Anyone know of a cheaper alternative to these "brand name" bbs?

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Dude, I used to pay 120$ for 2000 rounds at paintball as a member.

Airsoft is more then 10x cheaper.. come on!
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Old March 26th, 2008, 21:20   #24
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Dude, I used to pay 120$ for 2000 rounds at paintball as a member.

Airsoft is more then 10x cheaper.. come on!
Same, Some Paintball places can even push to 200 per case and outlaw off field paint. Man Paintball licks nuts.


On that note Thanks BBS, Just got my order of bastards in today, attempted to PM you but your mailbox is jammed lol.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 09:13   #25
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anyone use the biodegradeable 0.2 bbs at Wal-Mart? They seem decent in shape. I think it's around $16 before tax for 5,000.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 09:14   #26
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DO NOT touch bio bb's they are shit bb's and explode on contact.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 09:18   #27
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anyone use the biodegradeable 0.2 bbs at Wal-Mart? They seem decent in shape. I think it's around $16 before tax for 5,000.
Testtube is correct. We had an incident last summer where a player was wearing goggles and a biobb lost its integrity on impact, shattered and the shrapnel sprayed his eyes with dust and particulate. Biobbs have proven themselves unsafe and in many places on Ontario are banned.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 09:22   #28
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yikes!

OK, thanks for the tip. Won't use them in any games. I've been practicing with them and they do sometimes shatter in half, but only with very hard impacts. If it hits the side of a pair of goggles I can imagine the pieces going in through the vents and causing damage to the eyes.

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DO NOT touch bio bb's they are shit bb's and explode on contact.
I heartily disagree. I've used Bioval bio BB's in the past, and so far they have been the best BB I have ever used. Never shattered, biodegraded well, flew straighter than anything else I've ever shot, comes in pretty cool colours too (tan, OD, black, etc.). It's a shame we can't get them here.
Also on the flip side, I've had plenty of standard non-bio BB's crack, break, chip etc in various circumstances both while playing and during gun testing/chronying and whatnot. Most of it seems to happen when BB's hit each other, or a very hard surface like brick or rock. Doesn't seem to matter what brand they are either, and I've used everything under the sun.
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I heartily disagree.
You can disagree all you want Ibby - fact is there were over 50 witnesses to the incident. Its a matter of fact and public record.

EDIT: sorry thats a little harsh - yes I agree any BB given velocity and surface can shatter - no question. However in the many years I and others at the field have been playing, nobody has EVER seen something like this - the BB literally disintegrated into power and fine particulate matter with sharp edges - and this was on impact at the bottom of lens at normal distances using chronied guns. None of us have ever seen a non-biodegradable BB do that. Disintegrate against steel or concrete at close range, yes, but not at playing distances against normal safety gear used by a player.
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