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Old March 11th, 2008, 17:52   #1
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A canadian airsoft gun maker

iv noticed that most air soft guns come from Asia in general but my question is there any law against a Canadian company making air soft guns? The reason I ask is that Iím going to college to do my machinist and tool and dye course and if the opportunity presented itself was thinking of getting the rights and equipment to make Canadian made TM's or CA's. This isnít an extremely unlikely idea either as most of the receiver parts could be made using a small table top style cnc milling machine witch can be acquired for around 3-4000$ and as for the internals there is no law against importing the gearboxes mags ect as far as I now so the only parts that would need to be made by the proposed company would be the upper and lower receiver possibly the mag depending on the style and if the problem presented itself the outer barrel shroud. And as for the grip and stock they could be made using an injection moulding process or for a custom touch Carbon fibber. Tell me any legal problems you know of if possible and understand that this is an idea and not a carved in stone plan.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 17:59   #2
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Yes, there are laws against what you are suggesting. You cannot manufacture prohibited devices in Canada without authorization. Technically, any here who has assembled an airsoft gun from scratch has broken that law. The occurance right now is so low compared to straight transfer of complete guns that it really isn't worth any notice by the authorities. While one would avoid dealing with the CBSA by manufacturing receivers in Canada, the RCMP isn't exactly on our side either. The cost associated is also quite high, with dubious odds of recovering said investment without some extraordinary effort (such as finding a market beyond the very limited Canadian one) and luck (not getting the police all over you).

Please use the search function to look into your idea, odds are that the idea has been thought of already.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 17:59   #3
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even if you had a custom receiver business on the side, i think it would do well. i know i would ask for a M41A Pulse Rifle
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Old March 11th, 2008, 19:12   #4
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that would hella sweet. but im not sure its legal to fabricate prohibited devices.
Lol. You're not sure? Read what you just typed again
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Old March 11th, 2008, 19:39   #5
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You seem to know what you are talking about in terms of construction of the items.

One of the problems that you may run into is that you are not allowed to include the trades of any of the guns as that would be illegal (you don't have a license to do so). It goes further in that the design of the receiver is also patented and registered to the real steel maker.

Next you would be manufacturing a prohibited item (the lower receiver). The sum of the parts would also constitute a prohibited device. Unless you had a separate machine shop, business etc for each part and operated another company to assemble the parts which would still be illegal (to assemble). OR owned the shop and rented it to several different business that built a couple of the parts. However final assembly still illegal, lower receiver still illegal.

I believed there was a loophole somewhere in the NAFTA agreement that allowed completely made in USA airsofts into the country but I am likely wrong on this. There could also be exemptions for being on treaty land (again i'm unsure and likely wrong).

It is perfectly legal for you to build some of the parts of an airsoft for sale, but not all of them, and you cannot assemble them.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 20:04   #6
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You'll do better to get a diploma/certificate/ticket/etc. that will lead to a high paying job. That will be a faster route than "I liked the company so much I bought it".
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Old March 11th, 2008, 20:14   #7
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Would be nice if someone could produce metal slides for airsoft pistols. They could not only be produced and sold legally, but could also be exported out of the Canadian marketplace.

Just imagine the cash someone could rake in making slides for Western Arms guns allowing them to run propane, and selling them at a price on par with what these parts sell for in the US or Asia, compared to the price we pay from Canadian retailers. There are a few manufacturers who make metal slides for specific WA models, but no one seems to be able to keep them in stock, and many models have no metal available.
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Would be nice if someone could produce metal slides for airsoft pistols. They could not only be produced and sold legally, but could also be exported out of the Canadian marketplace.

Just imagine the cash someone could rake in making slides for Western Arms guns allowing them to run propane, and selling them at a price on par with what these parts sell for in the US or Asia, compared to the price we pay from Canadian retailers. There are a few manufacturers who make metal slides for specific WA models, but no one seems to be able to keep them in stock, and many models have no metal available.
that'd be so fucking cool.
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Would be nice if someone could produce metal slides for airsoft pistols. They could not only be produced and sold legally, but could also be exported out of the Canadian marketplace.

Just imagine the cash someone could rake in making slides for Western Arms guns allowing them to run propane, and selling them at a price on par with what these parts sell for in the US or Asia, compared to the price we pay from Canadian retailers. There are a few manufacturers who make metal slides for specific WA models, but no one seems to be able to keep them in stock, and many models have no metal available.
But...slides are importable? I don't see the benefit, especially when making them in Canada would probably be more expensive and therefore cost more to us.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 21:46   #10
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The expensive part is creating the design for a part and writing the program to cut the piece out of a $2 chunk of aluminum. Once the initial work is done, these things could be produced for next to nothing. If some enterprising individual with access to a CNC milling machine could take the time to do this and produce a better quality product, I'd be willing to pay what slides in country are going for, rather than having to take a crap shoot as to whether the metal part I'm ordering is actually going to fit my gun without requiring a shitload of mods to make it work.

How about if someone were to machine high quality hardened gearboxes? Again, I would be willing to spend a few extra bucks for a QUALITY product produced in Canada. I' sure someone could give Systema a run for their money on replacement AEG internals if they tried.
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The expensive part is creating the design for a part and writing the program to cut the piece out of a $2 chunk of aluminum. Once the initial work is done, these things could be produced for next to nothing. If some enterprising individual with access to a CNC milling machine could take the time to do this and produce a better quality product, I'd be willing to pay what slides in country are going for, rather than having to take a crap shoot as to whether the metal part I'm ordering is actually going to fit my gun without requiring a shitload of mods to make it work.

How about if someone were to machine high quality hardened gearboxes? Again, I would be willing to spend a few extra bucks for a QUALITY product produced in Canada. I' sure someone could give Systema a run for their money on replacement AEG internals if they tried.
Carl perhaps? (MadMax). Don't think he has a CNC machine though.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 23:40   #12
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only thing I can think of is just do the reciever of gun or the part where you cannot import and rest import it. But it is back to the idea of importing every part of AK legally and assembling (AK is illegal to have)
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Old March 12th, 2008, 01:08   #13
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Im also wondering about the legalities of building on a personal basis. Mostly inspired by Candyman's builds. Technically, hes taking an existing gun and building around it. Would this run into legal problems?
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only thing I can think of is just do the reciever of gun or the part where you cannot import and rest import it. But it is back to the idea of importing every part of AK legally and assembling (AK is illegal to have)
You would breaking two laws.
  1. Trademark laws
  2. Firearms act

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Im also wondering about the legalities of building on a personal basis. Mostly inspired by Candyman's builds. Technically, hes taking an existing gun and building around it. Would this run into legal problems?
You are still producing a prohibited item.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 10:38   #15
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Accumulate parts and assemble guns from the parts for personal use, some of them even end up getting sold here on the buy and sell section.

Technically this is not legal, manufacturing ( or assembly ) of replica firearms is illegal.

That said.. unless you begin to do it on a commercial scale, I doubt you would run into any enforcement issues.

If you ramped up to produce in volume.. for retail or export.. I doubt you would run for long before you got a visit from the RCMP
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