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Old March 4th, 2008, 14:07   #1
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Customs fee refund?

Is it true that if the sender sends an item as a gift it won't be taxed or which option is it so you will not get taxed when it crosses the border? and if it is you can get a refund from customs?

How does this work exactly? I searched this on the forums but nothing came up.

Your clarification will be greatly appreciated:P
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Old March 4th, 2008, 14:10   #2
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Well if they send it as a gift, it should not be taxed but Im not exactly sure how it works I believe there is certain value that is has to be under or something like that. Im not entirely clear on the subject. Also if they send it as a commerical sample it will not get taxed, but well for the second one they sorta need to be a business to do that in most cases. I wish I could help more, but just becareful who they get to send the parcel through, personally I dont like fedex cause their fees. One time I bought a monitor from the states and recieved it and a month letter I recieved a brokerage bill from them.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 14:40   #3
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Almost everything I've received from eHobby Asia (5 orders so far) were marked as commercial samples, and had no fees. My P226 metal slide from Cobra Airsoft was declared as a "warranty return - no commercial value", and got it without fees. I've bought a lot of stuff on ebay that was also shipped to me as samples or warranty items, and got charged no customs.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 14:43   #4
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It depends on the item, Someone send you a laptop as gift or commercial sample and you'll probably get roasted.

Something that's an obvious promotional item or sample will get by.

Grey area stuff will hinge more on the who and what.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 14:59   #5
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Warranty returns though, should always be duty-free, because it's assumed you've already paid fees on an item, had it break, and sent it back for repair / replacement. That's the only way I know of that actual value has no impact and it gets through customs-free.

I know that there's a dollar limit on gift items, but don't know what it is offhand. I'm not sure about commercial samples.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 15:00   #6
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Is it true that if the sender sends an item as a gift it won't be taxed or which option is it so you will not get taxed when it crosses the border? and

How does this work exactly? I searched this on the forums but nothing came up.

Your clarification will be greatly appreciated:P
That is not true. There is an upper threshold for the amount of a gift allowed before tax (up to 80$ no taxes). Anything over that and you have to pay at least the GST.


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if it is you can get a refund from customs?
Not really. It is possible to get a refund for the duty accessed to an item is incorrectly assessed. However you will never be able to recoup the 5 dollar handling fee if Customs agents inspect your package (even if they access nothing). Nor will you ever be able to have the GST returned if any is accessed. To compound matters the process is incredibly long expect 6+ months wait times and if your appeal fails you are responsible for paying for the time that customs spends resolving your appeal.

I worked for Canada Post When I was a student (great job BTW).

Long story short (unless you want to know the processes) Is that when someone mails you something tell them to be honest on the customs form, and put their home currency on that declaration.

RMA's, Warranties, and commercial samples are exempt. However, if they are inspected or deemed to be in excess punitive fines can be levied.

If you purchase MADE in USA no duty can be accessed only GST.

The only way to completely 100% avoid Tax/Customs is letter mail.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 16:20   #7
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ahh thank you for the information! this helps greatly.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 23:58   #8
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IIRC, anyhting under $60 won't be taxed.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 00:45   #9
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IIRC, anyhting under $60 won't be taxed.
Someone should tell that to USP. A couple of years ago, I ordered a tuner pedal for my guitar on ebay. The auction listed that they shipped USPS only, so I bought it for $37 US, which was roughly $45 CDN. I already know about UPS's crazy charges, so I never buy anything from abroad shipped UPS.

Well, about a week later, the UPS guy shows up at my place with my package and it was correctly valued at $37 US. And the UPS guy requires me to pay $40 Cdn for customs, duties and brokerage. Needless to say, I refused delivery and made alternate arrangements with the seller.

But the point being, UPS does charge customs and brokerage on EVERYTHING from abroad, no matter what the value.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 00:59   #10
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I think they were talking about regular post aka Canada Post and USPS.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 01:08   #11
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http://www.poynerbaxter.com/UPS.htm

Maybe this will get UPS to change, unlikely though.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 01:19   #12
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But the point being, UPS does charge customs and brokerage on EVERYTHING from abroad, no matter what the value.
Fuck UPS. i feel bad for the people who are getting ripped off by UPS everytime I see a UPS truck drive by. Why are there still so many UPS trucks on the road, when they clearly over charge their clients?!
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Old March 5th, 2008, 01:31   #13
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IIRC, anyhting under $60 won't be taxed.
That's false.

It's anything under $20. Previously, items marked as $60 or less are allowed tax free if marked as a gift.

It could be raised to $80 now, I'm not sure - last I heard, it was $60.

But as a non-gift, it's only exempt if under $20.

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But the point being, UPS does charge customs and brokerage on EVERYTHING from abroad, no matter what the value.
It's because the value of your package was over $20.

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Fuck UPS. i feel bad for the people who are getting ripped off by UPS everytime I see a UPS truck drive by. Why are there still so many UPS trucks on the road, when they clearly over charge their clients?!
They don't. Check their rate schedule for brokering - it's on par with almost all other brokerage services. You only hear about so many stories because UPS is deeply ingrained in north american businesses, which result in more stories because... they're just used more. Simple as that. They have great logistics systems and solutions, and if you check the cost of their services, they're actually generally cheaper than all other couriers except for government-subsidized services (such as USPS or Canada Post.)

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Old March 5th, 2008, 01:49   #14
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That's false.

It's anything under $20. Previously, items marked as $60 or less are allowed tax free if marked as a gift.

It could be raised to $80 now, I'm not sure - last I heard, it was $60.

But as a non-gift, it's only exempt if under $20.



They don't. Check their rate schedule for brokering - it's on par with almost all other brokerage services. You only hear about so many stories because UPS is deeply ingrained in north american businesses, which result in more stories because... they're just used more. Simple as that. They have great logistics systems and solutions, and if you check the cost of their services, they're actually generally cheaper than all other couriers except for government-subsidized services (such as USPS or Canada Post.)
oh yeah. now i remember, it has to be marked as a "gift". IMO there's too many "gifts" that are over $60 rendering the $60 mark almost pointless. Brian, you are brilliant.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 02:27   #15
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UPS has other issues than brokerage fee....lost items being one of the more annoying ones....
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