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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:00   #16
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It's about trying to APPRECIATE the real world environment, and still be able to complete whatever task you are set to do.
That's one good point, but for many people the objective (no matter what the CO assignments are) is to rack some kills.

Edit: And to add to your sitting there for hours w/o firing a single shot. I have been there done that and captured the CO in the middle of the night in his own tent. Simply by waiting for the sentries to get sick of their guard duty and going to bed. Woke them up and had them fetch their CO for us to capture and bring back to oru base camp.

Those were the days.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:02   #17
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The "problem" with milsim is that it only takes one slightly-less-than-fully-clued person to derail things for everyone. Like someone talking during a movie.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:07   #18
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That's one good point, but for many people the objective (no matter what the CO assignments are) is to rack some kills.
I agree. And that's part of what I see as the problem. The younger generation of airsofters are trying to transition from X-Box to Real Life, and you end up with the "skirmish mentality" of racking up kills rather than approaching the sport from a Milsim perspective.

It's a free coutnry, and skirmishing has as much right to be around as Milsim!

But I think that without some balance, it's going to turn airsoft into painball without the legitimacy, encourage asshats to get involved, and get the whole thing banned.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:11   #19
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Hellranger,
you will always have hot heads on the field. no matter wich part of Canada you are in. Keep talking with orginizers of the events and you CO"S @ games and belive me shit will get resolved fast.

Blackthrone,
I play with a high-cap does it make me not as milsim as you. not looking for argument. but my gun only likes high caps belive me I hate it I have star mag that don't load in my gun.

Hellranger,
just remember the one who do the shit then with a little intimidation pepole will either ship up or be pushed out of the comunity real fast.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:21   #20
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That's one good point, but for many people the objective (no matter what the CO assignments are) is to rack some kills.
Somewhat but I think that's in part what people are there for: people want trigger time, which is sort of realistic in itself. But the other half of the problem, IMO, is a lot of games (not pointing to, or slamming anyone -- nor was I at this particular game: this is a generalized comment) have simply equated complex scenarios/objectives with milsim.

While it may appeal to some, I think sometimes there are just so many hoops to jump through that many players simply lose sight of what they're supposed to be accomplishing. I have often witnessed people going "what are we supposed to be doing?" and have even been there myself a couple of times. Over-contrived objectives, medic, respawn, blah blah blah blah just overwhelms people and bogs down fluidity.

In large part, I feel this is because there's no Chain of Command in airsoft (and historically players have been reluctant to both lead and be lead) which makes it difficult to orchestrate a complex action while maintaining simple step-by-step objectives for "people on the ground," so to speak.

Simple, Direct, But no walk in the park. Realistic.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:23   #21
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I think you should come out in October and have a good time at our Milsim event. I think were extremely organised and were expecting over 150 airsofters. Hopefully we won't have any safety problems. The kit restrictions allow many different types of players and equipment to play equally on the field. My intention was to move away from skirmishing for this event and give the teams a flavour of a well planned Military Operation where missions and duties changes as the day proceedes with many objectives. The field alone is huge and gameplay enless. I would like to invite you as my guest and hopefully we see you out there on October 13th.

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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:27   #22
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okay with the argument shifting now from skirmish to milsim, to bring it back to main point's, testostrone (sorry guys) and dick beating does come into play. lol even on here, I think blackthorn with a milsim 'shut up or get out' attitude. If I were a n00b and I have been put in this possition, if anyone put back their shoulders, I would too. Could be one outlook why newbs might be acting a bit mean or hot headed.
Albeit, when you start, bodycount's are great, now I've shifted (personally) to resesrving ammo, trying to play real cap, and being more proud of 'shit I've only gone through 1/4 of a single mag all day!' - games like that really make it for me.
There's always going to be preferances and different styles of play, who like's what, sim vs. skrim, gear vs. going light weight, and attitudes on feild.
Getting back at it, if your not having fun or feeling frustrated, take a small breather.. it could help.. lol plus in 3 months when your itching and miss playing, you didnt already run out and sell all your stuff off.
Just blow the dust off and get back into it.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:30   #23
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I think you should come out in October and have a good time at our Milsim event.
Nice plug!

But I would like to keep this thread going the way it has been so far.

I'm happy to see the amount of participation.
I have received a few PMs already.

I have to agree that I tend to expect a minimum out of people when they show up to an event, maybe a little too much in some cases. I also take this kinda seriously, but I also give up when the shit it's the fan in terms of the way things tuen to shit sometimes.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:35   #24
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I ain't knocking the skirmish crowd, but I see a very CLEAR link between that crowd and the new, piss poor attitude, out to kill em all, rules are optional, MSN speak, "new generation of airsoft".

It takes very little skill, in my opinion, to run around in a painball field (a la Fagraiders), expend 1000-2000- BB's soaking averything to get kills.
Paintball-soft?

http://www.rhc-hardball.dk/images/hgt06/32f.jpg
http://www.rhc-hardball.dk/images/hgt06/50f.jpg
http://www.rhc-hardball.dk/images/jul06/9f.jpg

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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:40   #25
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C.G. I think Blackthorn's point (at least this is how I read it) was that it's annoying to have someone with some Chinese Junksoft, OD pants and an Iron Maiden tshirt come out and start shitting on people with proper gear loadouts.

That, at the very root of it, is respect for other players.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:40   #26
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The paintball soft attitude bothers me also. However I am no less of a milsim person by playing with a tec 9. Its just a choice of gun. Our area games have to be max trigger time or we lose players and we cant afford to lose players or we would have no one.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 15:51   #27
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come play in windsor theirs none of that bs going on here!! just some good airsoft, the only bitching that goes on happens on our web site so it great down here. if you do leave im intrested in buying ur shit as soon as i get fkin verified!!!!! its been 2 months and i sent my shit 2 times!
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Old September 4th, 2007, 16:29   #28
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Drake - okay, fair enough, if someone's out with an already piss pour attitude to start that say's one thing... and erm. I own a JG .. Multicam and and old old GnR shirt though.. damn.. yo.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 16:30   #29
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I doubt every single person of that "new generation" is gonna be some guy who think he is playing a CS game, running around with an Iron Maiden t-shirt wasting 4k BBs/h.

I know I won't at least, and I'm part of that new generation !
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Old September 4th, 2007, 16:54   #30
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Visit Manitoba. Seems we're doing things right.
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