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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:31   #16
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I've already read all that. I get the feeling you want to quash discussion here?


*EDIT - I'm seeing a lot about the MP5. It must be popular for a reason...
Nah, it's not to stop a discussion. It's just to help you decide what gun you want so you don't end up changing your mind a million times. lol.

Or just do what a lot of us do: buy them all!
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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:33   #17
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*EDIT - I'm seeing a lot about the MP5. It must be popular for a reason...
Theres a lot of different ones made. Armalites are even worse (M16/M4 series and such). That is probably one of the main reasons for the popularity. Plus I think they are considered the "good guys" guns

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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:45   #18
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Theres a lot of different ones made. Armalites are even worse (M16/M4 series and such). That is probably one of the main reasons for the popularity. Plus I think they are considered the "good guys" guns

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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:48   #19
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It's pretty crazy for a guy that has no background in military arms to distinguish one from another.
Like, on the 007 site I'm admiring the Classic Army MP5 SD2 Full Metal, and above it is the Classic Army MP5 A2 Full Metal.... From what I can see, they are essentially the same gun, but the SD2 doesn't have that extra piece under the barrel....
Does that piece serve a purpose on the A2?
Actually, is there a gun page for total noobs that you guys might have a link for, that would explain the basics to me?
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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:54   #20
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Stop using so many abbreviations here and in PMs! I have no idea what you're talking about half the time


That piece under the barrel on the A2 should be the flashlight. And the SD2 should have a silencer built in if I'm not mistaken.
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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:59   #21
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Don't join the forces hahahaha
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Old August 19th, 2007, 00:59   #22
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A functional flashlight??

*EDIT - QSTF is in his sig.
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Old August 19th, 2007, 01:02   #23
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A functional flashlight??

*EDIT - QSTF is in his sig.
Should be.

Damn. Makes sence.
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Old August 19th, 2007, 06:58   #24
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It's pretty crazy for a guy that has no background in military arms to distinguish one from another.
Like, on the 007 site I'm admiring the Classic Army MP5 SD2 Full Metal, and above it is the Classic Army MP5 A2 Full Metal.... From what I can see, they are essentially the same gun, but the SD2 doesn't have that extra piece under the barrel....
Does that piece serve a purpose on the A2?
Actually, is there a gun page for total noobs that you guys might have a link for, that would explain the basics to me?
Try Googling "guns".

A good model/definition encyclopedia can be found here: http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm
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Old August 19th, 2007, 11:22   #25
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Thanks. I'll definately be checkin that site out when I get home.
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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:35   #26
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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:54   #27
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It's pretty crazy for a guy that has no background in military arms to distinguish one from another.
Like, on the 007 site I'm admiring the Classic Army MP5 SD2 Full Metal, and above it is the Classic Army MP5 A2 Full Metal.... From what I can see, they are essentially the same gun, but the SD2 doesn't have that extra piece under the barrel....
Does that piece serve a purpose on the A2?
It just takes some time. Before Airsoft I didn't know much either. I can give you a quick run down of the MP5 naming scheme in Airsoft:
A2 - Full stock, SEF trigger group
A3 - Collapsable Stock, SEF trigger group
A4 - Full stock, Navy trigger group
A5 - Collapsable Stock, Navy trigger group
K - Short, stockless, Navy trigger group
PDW - Similar to K, but has flashhider, and a folding stock (note, it's a folding stock, not a collapsable stock)
SD2 - Suppressed, Full Stock, SEF trigger group
SD3 - Suppressed, Collapsable stock, SEF trigger group
SD5 - Suppressed, Full Stock, Navy trigger group
SD6 - Suppressed, Collapsable stock, Navy trigger group
The real confusion ensues when you come to realise real steel MP5s work on a different naming scheme. The difference is that there is no significance given to whether the trigger group is Navy or SEF. So then what is the difference between an A2 and an A4 or an SD2 and an SD5? The three round burst function. On the real steel the naming follows this pattern:
A1, A2, A3 - Safe, Semi, Full Auto
A4, A5 - Safe, Semi, 3 Round Burst, Full Auto
SD1, SD2, SD3 - Safe, Semi, Full Auto
SD4, SD5, SD6 - Safe, Semi, 3 Round Burst, Full Auto
K, PDW - Safe, Semi, Full Auto

Now, I'm not sure how you can see an SD being the same as an A except for a tac-light, since the SD is a totally different front end, butthe real difference between and A with a taclight and an SD is being able to see in the dark and being a silent assassin...You choose (actually, the suppressor doesn't cut down the pissed off sewing machine sound, only the already quiet muzzle blast).

But in all seriousness, an MP5 won't let you down and a full metal body is nice too.

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*EDIT - I'm seeing a lot about the MP5. It must be popular for a reason...
Now that made me smile a wicked and evil smile.
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...il?reviewID=25
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That review basically covers all maks of MP5s (even though it says it's for TM).

The only gun you'll see more often on the field than an MP5 is an Armalite (M16, M4, etc).
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Old August 19th, 2007, 13:57   #28
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Wow, thanks for that post, Nik12.
That explains a lot, and saves me days/weeks or researching! lolz
Unfortunately, I'm not at home and I can't read that review you linked on this computer (Restricted), so I'll get to that tomorrow.
One question though - in your opinion, what brand would you recommend? There are a few that offer the MP5 SD(5, if I can find one) models in full metal bodies, so I'm curious to know what brand you would lean towards.

Note - I've got a buddy in Vancouver that is right into this sport, adn he told me to talk to him before purchasing because he has a good line through a guy out there, so I'm just still in "research mode".
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Old August 19th, 2007, 14:28   #29
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Well, I've currently got an ICS MP5SD2 enroute to me from 007. Ken personally recommended it and all the reviews I could find on ICS MP5s made it a favourable choice. So that's clearly what I'm leaning towards.

Ofcourse, there is still CA and TM which make good solid MP5s. TM may have a plastic body, but it's internals are golden and from the more recent reviews of CA that I've read their quality control seems to have become alot better. In the end it's up to you, read reviews and form your own opinion and go from there. Google is your friend (and so is Arnies). Ultimately, the best way to get a good idea of what to spend all your money on is to get out to a game if you can and see what everyone is running, maybe pull a few triggers, find out what floats your boat.

Oh and unless you're left handed there is really no advantage to the ambidexterous Navy Trigger group over the right-handed SEF trigger group (and the SEF trigger group is supposed to have better 'clicks' than the Navy trigger group). That's the only difference between an SD2 and an SD5 (airsoft wise).
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Old August 19th, 2007, 14:32   #30
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Oh and unless you're left handed there is really no advantage to the ambidexterous Navy Trigger group over the right-handed SEF trigger group (and the SEF trigger group is supposed to have better 'clicks' than the Navy trigger group). That's the only difference between an SD2 and an SD5 (airsoft wise).
Wouldn't you lose the 3 round burst option?
*EDIT - Unless the three round burst is not available for airsoft...
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