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Old August 18th, 2007, 03:22   #61
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A quick look at the pic's of the challenger kit and you can see why they are so great. I just hope they hurry up with their PTW handgun. no more buying tm and missmatch parts to build a killer piece.
Handgun? Why not get a WA 1911. Closest to the real thing you can get.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 03:25   #62
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For me, the cost savings to outfit not 1, not 2 but 3 PTWs is itself the cost of a PTW.

Guys can argue over real vs. clone, but when my clone-equipped PTW tags a guy at 300+ feet, real makes absolutely no difference. Funny thing is, I've done that to guys with the real EoTech, when their gun fell 100 feet short of me.

The gun means everything. What you put on it means nothing as long as it doesn't intefere with the operation or structural integrity of the gun.

Use a clone if you want. The real one doesn't perform any better on an airsoft gun.
After a long, hard think and discussions with my friends, I've decided I'll get a 512 clone too. It's a shame there's no M500A clone that'll fit though, so I still gotta shell out $350 to get one.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 03:26   #63
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I will wait to see what comes from Systema, their website says they are developing SMG and handgun. and im happy with the one I got for now.

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Old August 18th, 2007, 03:49   #64
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trying to understand why systema is "so good" is impossible.

For me, I had the question as well....


... but as soon as I held a PTW, the fate of my three "standard" armalite AEGs was determined: "sell them - acquire PTW."

You just can't describe it. It must be felt...
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Old August 18th, 2007, 04:07   #65
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trying to understand why systema is "so good" is impossible.

For me, I had the question as well....


... but as soon as I held a PTW, the fate of my three "standard" armalite AEGs was determined: "sell them - acquire PTW."

You just can't describe it. It must be felt...

Hahaha. Did the PTW's owner make you clean the jizms off his gun? Or did you do it voluntarily ?
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Old August 18th, 2007, 04:09   #66
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Hahaha. Did the PTW's owner make you clean the jizms off his gun? Or did you do it voluntarily ?
I couldn't help but lick it off. It didn't matter if it were mine, his, or a stray dog's...

... all that mattered, was that it was a PTW. Once you grip that barrel in your hand, all you want to do is just keep stroking that shaft...
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Old August 18th, 2007, 04:12   #67
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I couldn't help but lick it off. It didn't matter if it were mine, his, or a stray dog's...

... all that mattered, was that it was a PTW. Once you grip that barrel in your hand, all you want to do is just keep stroking that shaft...
I r sad naos.

Eh, do any of you guys know if systema makes a 20 round mag (car-15 style)?
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Old August 18th, 2007, 10:11   #68
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I r sad naos.

Eh, do any of you guys know if systema makes a 20 round mag (car-15 style)?
They do make a 30 round mag for Mil/LE markets and I have seen guys mod those by cutting the internals, gluing them together and stuffing it inside a real VN 20 round mag.

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A PTW is a training weapon, not an AEG. It is built from much higher quality parts, and built to a higher standard. Also, from my understanding, there is absolutely NO monkey metal infused into this gun's receiver, or anywhere else (I could be wrong, but I sure fuckin' hope not).

Heh, not to mention the functioning bolt-release, and fully retractable charging handle. OR.. the fact that it's built exactly like (dimension wise) a Real Steel AR...Actually, didn't you (mcguyver) say that it actually seems like it's better finished than your bushmaster (ew) ?

EDIT: There's just tooo much to say about the PTW.. and I don't even own one yet.
The receivers unfortunately are alloy, as a real 7075 T6 aluminum forged receiver would violate Japanese law and we wouldn't fair much better here either. The hop-up cage is also alloy, but that's pretty much it. The charging handle is a real one, but it's fixed when the receivers are closed and is used to remove the cylinder when the receivers are open.

And yeah, the fit and finish is better than my real AR.

Hold a PTW and you're sold. The performance is all gravy.
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But I'm pretty sure it can take alot more than a G&P, or G&G body..
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Old August 18th, 2007, 11:41   #70
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TM s like the KD of airsoft, original, good, decent and satisfying.

A systema gun is like KD, where the noodles are plated in gold and covered in diamonds and the cheese sauce is actually a pool of naked hot women.
There is just one problem with that...You can't eat that plated gold KD like you could the regular KD...So what you are saying is that Systema is like TM, except it doesn't do the same job, instead it's just really expensive eye candy.


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I will wait to see what comes from Systema, their website says they are developing SMG and handgun. and im happy with the one I got for now.
Oh!? Which SMG? I suppose I could not be lazy and look it up for myself...
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Old August 18th, 2007, 12:05   #71
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I also don't understand... what makes these PTWs so special from other AEGs?
here's some links for you to read on just what makes the PTW so different, and better:

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Info/PlanetaryGearBox.aspx

http://www.zshot.com/TB-060615.asp

http://www.zshot.com/download/CutShe...hHighlight.pdf

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Files/Description_of_MAX.pdf

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Files/Des..._MAX_Parts.pdf

http://www.zshot.com/download/SCK_Draft.pdf


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trying to understand why systema is "so good" is impossible.

For me, I had the question as well....

... but as soon as I held a PTW, the fate of my three "standard" armalite AEGs was determined: "sell them - acquire PTW."

You just can't describe it. It must be felt...
Illusion has summed it pretty well....words just don't do this thing justice. Once you hold one and shoot it, well, just put everything else you have up for sale, and pull out your credit card.....nothing else compares. you won't need or want anything else.

i own an airsoft store, and thus, pretty much have my pick of anything i want. my personal weapons are typically some of the scariest weapons in our
league. most of them have obscene amounts of money invested in them, with the best of everything. now that i got a PTW, every other gun in my personal arsenal is now up for sale.

if you have the opportunity to ever get a PTW, just do it. sell all your other guns, sell your first-born child, sell your soul. whatever you need to do, you won't regret it.

it is, simply, the best. the uber gun.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 13:01   #72
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Oh!? Which SMG? I suppose I could not be lazy and look it up for myself...
The website only says SMG type guns and handguns so....
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Old August 18th, 2007, 13:16   #73
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TM s like the KD of airsoft, original, good, decent and satisfying.

A systema gun is like KD, where the noodles are plated in gold and covered in diamonds and the cheese sauce is actually a pool of naked hot women.
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Old August 18th, 2007, 14:05   #74
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here's some links for you to read on just what makes the PTW so different, and better:

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Info/PlanetaryGearBox.aspx

http://www.zshot.com/TB-060615.asp

http://www.zshot.com/download/CutShe...hHighlight.pdf

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Files/Description_of_MAX.pdf

http://www.systema-ptw.com/Files/Des..._MAX_Parts.pdf

http://www.zshot.com/download/SCK_Draft.pdf




Illusion has summed it pretty well....words just don't do this thing justice. Once you hold one and shoot it, well, just put everything else you have up for sale, and pull out your credit card.....nothing else compares. you won't need or want anything else.

i own an airsoft store, and thus, pretty much have my pick of anything i want. my personal weapons are typically some of the scariest weapons in our
league. most of them have obscene amounts of money invested in them, with the best of everything. now that i got a PTW, every other gun in my personal arsenal is now up for sale.

if you have the opportunity to ever get a PTW, just do it. sell all your other guns, sell your first-born child, sell your soul. whatever you need to do, you won't regret it.

it is, simply, the best. the uber gun.
reading...
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Old August 18th, 2007, 18:34   #75
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i own an airsoft store, and thus, pretty much have my pick of anything i want. my personal weapons are typically some of the scariest weapons in our
league. most of them have obscene amounts of money invested in them, with the best of everything. now that i got a PTW, every other gun in my personal arsenal is now up for sale.

if you have the opportunity to ever get a PTW, just do it. sell all your other guns, sell your first-born child, sell your soul. whatever you need to do, you won't regret it.
Your store looks pretty crazy, man...

God damn Canada..
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