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Old May 17th, 2007, 17:44   #31
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Hope this doesn't push the federal government into any deeper legilsation, probably won't. But i'm sure public notice has gone up... worrying parents.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 17:48   #32
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Not a big deal until you see it on the national news stations.


Even then, if any action is to be taken, it will be done by the ASC leaders...just incase someone was gonna go and write an email or something all on their own.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 17:55   #33
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I wish they could see the responsible side to our sport...they dont give baseball bad press and people have been robbing stores for years with baseball bats...hopefully the people monitoring these forums will see that we control our ways
cant find a link to the article anywhere online?...this is always percieved the wrong way by the public...i wish journalists would do thier homework..damn!

sorry man, but i havent heard of a store getting robbed with a baseball bat in, well... never..
if some asshole came into a store where i worked at with a bat i think id laugh at him and find something sharp to cut'em up real bad with.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 18:14   #34
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I agree 100%, especially with the last part. If we can't do shit about the problem, at least we should try to cut ASC off their arguments bag by acting like mature and responsible people. When I saw the reportage, I almost choke myself to death when they mentionned ASC. Airsoft Canada and the keywords he used (Robbery, Injury and underage) shouldn't be presented in the media togeter, at least in my opinion.
Libel/slander? Well probably not really, but it's just what I thought when I read that.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 18:15   #35
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someone should make a documentary
I think it should be done and kept secure untill needed. We could wip this out as our defence in the medias.

It could be made by us or by someone else, as long as what's in it reflect the reality: good and bad. Bad things can be presented in a certain way as to apear manageable. I think the sport have more good than bad. But like in everything, it's the bad that stand out the most.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 18:17   #36
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sorry man, but i havent heard of a store getting robbed with a baseball bat in, well... never..
if some asshole came into a store where i worked at with a bat i think id laugh at him and find something sharp to cut'em up real bad with.
Baseball bat is the weapon of choice since, forever. It's also the weapon that statistically inflict the worst injuries in Canada. If I was a soccer mom, and had to ban the most dangerous thing involved in crime, the baseball bat would be it first. Then I'd ban myself!
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Old May 17th, 2007, 18:33   #37
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Poor Ken. Guy gets raided and almost loses everything, now this.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 19:38   #38
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Lol, nice disclaimer. You can't miss it, unless your blind in which I should be asking how the hell do you use your computer.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 22:01   #39
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Did anyone see the article on the web... I did some search and found nothing.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 23:07   #40
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Did anyone see the article on the web... I did some search and found nothing.

Same as me, I searched and found nothing
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Old May 18th, 2007, 17:02   #41
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but under Canadian law, doesn't 'Replica' firearm mean it cannot shoot anything but look like the real thing? Thus airsoft should not be replica since it shoots BB's. I e-mailed the firearms agency a while back and that's what she told me. Maybe laws have changed since.
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Old May 18th, 2007, 17:29   #42
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but under Canadian law, doesn't 'Replica' firearm mean it cannot shoot anything but look like the real thing? Thus airsoft should not be replica since it shoots BB's. I e-mailed the firearms agency a while back and that's what she told me. Maybe laws have changed since.
Law enforcement generally treats it like that, the CBSA doesn't. However, if you use an airsoft gun, paintball gun, pellet gun, water pistol, or whatever during the commission of a crime it's treated just like a real firearm.
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Old May 18th, 2007, 17:55   #43
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but under Canadian law, doesn't 'Replica' firearm mean it cannot shoot anything but look like the real thing? Thus airsoft should not be replica since it shoots BB's. I e-mailed the firearms agency a while back and that's what she told me. Maybe laws have changed since.
Then consider your self corrected.

Replica firearm means "anything that looks like a firearm but is not a firearm"

Firearm means "anything that shoots a projectile in excess of 500 fps"

Imitation Firearm means " anything that has the appearance of a firearm but is easily identified as not a firearm" this would be items such as "clearsoft" and small scale models of guns and toy guns such as water pistols, or wooden toys.

Airsoft guns clearly fall within the scope of the definition of "Replica Firearm"
although airsoft guns as a class of items are not defined as replicas in practically every court case in which airsoft guns were at issue they were found to meet the definition of "replica Firearm"

So does this mean that airsoft guns are replica firearms? not exactly... however the CBSA as an organization has taken the position that in order to import airsoft guns you must hold a valid business firearms license and import permits allowing you to import Prohibited Devices such as "replica firearms"

So does this mean that airsoft guns are Replica Firearms... not exactly.. as far as importing them they are....

The real kicker is the recent charges for trafficing in "prohibited Devices" that were laid against a re-seller of airsoft guns in York region...

So does this mean that airsoft guns are replicas, well at least the ones that were seized in the various raids will likely be tested in side by side comparison with their "real steel" counterparts, and they will be judged to be replicas.. resulting in the charges sticking..( or being plead out to lesser charges )

So does this mean that airsoft guns are replicas? still the answer is probably
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Old May 18th, 2007, 23:12   #44
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Brian there is one thing missing - it also must not be able to cause serious bodily harm to be considered a replica, thus replica pellet guns, like Umarex pistols, are perfectly fine (infact I have a couple), even though under 500fps/5.7fpe (or 4.3fpe? not sure of the exact number).

Some airsoft guns can do a reasonable amount of "harm" when compared to some airguns, so technically its a gray area as I see it.

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