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Old May 13th, 2007, 21:40   #16
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Last weekend =]

I go every weekend I can
Oh yeah? Where?

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when was the last game you went to?
Couple weeks back. I don't go every weekend, since I do the real thing every day at work :P
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Old May 14th, 2007, 00:22   #17
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Couple weeks back. I don't go every weekend, since I do the real thing every day at work :P
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Last weekend =]

I go every weekend I can

when was the last game you went to?
And you guys are arguing what? That your worthiness as an airsofter is based on how many games you goto?


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Old May 14th, 2007, 00:31   #18
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Midway Paintball in Duncan I play with the CIA im not on there team but I play with them
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Old May 14th, 2007, 00:46   #19
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Old May 14th, 2007, 00:50   #20
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i think some of the older players have to get some of the n00bitis off there chest. I really havent payed attention to older players leaving, examples?

Ive only noticed airsfot picking up steam from the last 2 years of me being a part of it. Alot of newer players are becoming the older ones now.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 00:57   #21
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since i started airsoft 2 years ago (i now not long) between my first read of ASC to know I've noticed a huge change of the player base. i do think skruface is right that new guys seem to think they should have every thing fed to them, some players come on here with a legit question that shows they have some understanding of airsoft well the other 9 outa 10 new faces have questions so easy that if they read anything they could have gotten there answer.

but on the flip side i have seen on my local board JOC that the on field and bored attitude are much the same we're a no bull shit group theres not much room for error but we're still friendly its like locally not much as changed but here on ASC its a down word spin.

i just hope that airsoft Canada is in just a low point in its life but soon shit will get figured out.

P.S what did happen to grey anyways?
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Old May 14th, 2007, 01:00   #22
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I'd be a lot more concerned about the seemingly inevitable stop of all airsoft gun imports into Canada and the potential for zero airsoft population growth. We'll have far more trouble with retention if the community seems no longer viable, vibrant, etc.

And I really don't know what this complain about "new guys who want to be spoonfed" and the downward spiral of ASC is about. The whole ASC mentality is devoted to making sure those who want to be spoonfed never reach the "new player" stage. Those who can't quickly transition from asking to self-sufficiency don't get into the sport due to their own cluelessness and are never members of the community. They're the same annoying percentage of visitors we get every year asking the same annoying questions.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 07:34   #23
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Midway Paintball in Duncan I play with the CIA im not on there team but I play with them
Yeah, that explains it all right there...
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Old May 14th, 2007, 08:45   #24
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Skruface has the majority of the reasons in one post. If you're going to sum it up, read his.

Being around for the launch of ASC, and the world before it... I can tell you right now that 90% of the people on this board would have been ripped several new assholes. That INCLUDES the one's who spend most of their time ripping people new assholes.

The discussions on the boards centered COMPLETELY around actual issues and it involved people who actually knew what they were talking about. All were self taught, and all had real information to share. They also didn't tollerate people who were unwilling to do any work for themselves. It's an odd paradox that despite the vast increase of available information online, we continue to get more and more people unwilling to read any of it.

Anyways. This can be attributed to an increasing number of players (bigger player base, by necessity a larger number of idiots), but it gets tiresome.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 09:28   #25
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Bleh, I wrote this long post and then decided fuck it, I didn't want to post it.

Its simple. Too many drama queens, too much BS, too much cheating. I have too little time in my life for all that.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 10:29   #26
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During a grenade building exercize in which we had 7 guys making 100 grenades, one of us questioned 3 hours in what the **** are we doing (spending a beautiful day indoors making grenades out of fireworks for a pretend soldier game) and then proceeded to ask if any of us have a girlfriend to which we mumbled no. It got me thinking and I can see why some people eventually call it quits

Not me though.. not just yet
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Old May 14th, 2007, 10:48   #27
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During a grenade building exercize in which we had 7 guys making 100 grenades, one of us questioned 3 hours in what the **** are we doing (spending a beautiful day indoors making grenades out of fireworks for a pretend soldier game) and then proceeded to ask if any of us have a girlfriend to which we mumbled no. It got me thinking and I can see why some people eventually call it quits

Not me though.. not just yet
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Old May 14th, 2007, 10:52   #28
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Lets be clear (Saint hit on it) that those noobs that drive us nuts here very rarely go out to the games we go to.

I do see a disturbing trend away from fundamental MilSim core beliefs and basics by the younger players coming in (read: noobs who actually PLAY).

I think it's less about THE GAME for them, and more about the GUNS and GEAR, which is a real shame. I agree we are playing dress up, but the opportunity to immerse yourself, just a bit, and learn some tactics and techniques that will make the game better for everyone, a more interesting experience, seem to be unimportant to the newer airsoft player. I won't get into why I think this is. That would be a long commentary on teens of today and I won't waste anyones time rehashing a well known point of view.

And as much as I prefer games with no mercy rules and higher FPS restrictions, I think without the FPS restriction, we would have already adopted the paint ball "more, faster, shinier" attitude, and would have folks running around with guns akin to fire hoses.

I believe if we lose a core group of players, that are (like myself) quite happy to operate in a large game (24-48 hours) in a recce platoon and not fire a single shot, airsoft is going to be a VERY different landscape in the next 5 years.

The spirit of airsoft is in it's homage to the MILITARY. If we lose that, we are just playing paint ball, regardless of the gear we are wearing, or guns we use.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 12:10   #29
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I can only speak for myself so here goes;
When our daughter (second child) was born I sold all my AEG's and GBB's because I knew that I wouldn't have time to play.
Now 2 1/2 years later I find I have SOME time to play so I'm looking around for an affordable AEG or sniper rifle.
To be honest, it will be the cost of the toys and the attitude of the players that will keep me out of the sport this time. So far the attitude seems fine. But I'll reserve judgement for now.
I don't like to borrow anyone else's guns (anyone who knows me can tell you that) so that's not really an option either.
I have a full time job, Wife, two kids, a mortgage, and I own/manage a small hobby store (D&D games and such) so time is really at a premium.
If I'm lucky I'll be able to manage one game a month. It's not much, but it's something.
And that's my 2c for what it's worth.

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EDIT After reading Blackthorn's post I remembered something that happened at the MAA's FNG day I played at; I had to re-load a high-cap mag. On my way back to load up, I thought to myself "holy crap! I'm playing like a paintballer!" So I put a handful (maybe 75) bb's in the mag and told myself to lay off the effing trigger. It worked too.
Sorry, that's a bit off topic. I consider myself well and truely flame-broiled.
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Old May 14th, 2007, 12:41   #30
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The spirit of airsoft is in it's homage to the MILITARY. If we lose that, we are just playing paint ball, regardless of the gear we are wearing, or guns we use.
Fuckin-A, I could not say it better myself.

Skuface echos the frustration of anyone who's stuck with the sport for more than 3 years and have begun to see the track repeat itself. Meta sums it up quite nicely when saying that, essentially a lot of new people are not self-propelled researchers and are followers and not do'ers. And if you don't know who I am referring to, this is precisely the point - the game is OUT THERE, not IN HERE. When interactions on a dboard begin to take precidence over the actual sport the dboards were designed to support, a lot of people leave in disgust.

Based on my own experience and with the amount of BB and battery activity I am seeing go through my hands, I would venture to say to ALL of you that what you're seeing is a pattern change, and not a shift in the actually playing numbers. If anything I would say the interest in the sport is at an all time high, but at the same time the community is more fractured than it has even been before. This means lots of small communities playing games amongst themselves that never make it to the attention of the larger community. This causes the sense of loss of players because a lot of the vets who hosted and ran large games have stopped and instead are out playing in small spec ops teams and enjoying not having to drive the bus all the time.

From my POV, I've stopped trying to open new fields and I limit myself to hosting ONE major event a year and for the rest of the year my efforts are for myself and my team and I try to go out and support the small number of hosts out there holding milsim games, as much as a show of support and brotherhood as for wanting to play an actual milsim game.

Bottom line? If you think the sport is dying, you're either spending too much time online and not enough time out meeting people and networking to get into good private games, or, (sorry to say it) you're a fucktard nobody wants to play with. Sorry but thats the unvarnished truth.
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