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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:05   #1
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CQB Diagrams

Hi guys, my friend and I are trying to put together some CQB diagrams. I wanted to post them here to get your opinions. I want to make a bunch of these, but I figured, one problem at a time.

Here is the first situation. It is for a two man team at a T-Shape intersection. I have two options but I don't know which would be more correct. Or, I am sure there are many other solutions.


I don't think this one works very well and probably needs some work.




I think this one would probably work better because you don't have to sweep your partner.

Anyway, please tell me what you think! If you feel that this thread is inappropriate tell me and I'll take it down. I would still like to continue the project through PMs.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:37   #2
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Its not so much sweeping your partner that the first tactic has a flaw with. Its in diagram 3, the red unit has to move out exposing his back to unknown area with no cover, before blue unit can get his sweep in.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:58   #3
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And in the first diagram, blue's field of fire passes over red at one point. That's a big no-no.
Not that I know much about tactics though...
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Old May 8th, 2007, 12:18   #4
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Ya diagram 1 was my first try. I think 2 works a lot better so maybe ignore the first one.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 12:18   #5
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Covering the ARC of your fire team partner is ok. In the first example, you would use that for a hallway or corridor with little chance of overhead fire. The Second example would be more adapted to a fire team doing a sweep where vertical threat is tactical challenge.

As a note, your fire team will not generally separate more than about 5 meters. If there is a need for a second corridor to be cleared, a second fire team would be brought in and then the whole process would over-lap, the point of each team would move with first example and the second man would move into position in a X movement to mate up with their fire team partner.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 13:46   #6
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depends...

Width of the corridor is a factor...

Idealy you want to pie both corners as you approach them... if the corridor is wide enough... you can do that on the same side as you are..

If it is narrow as illustrated , you can do the crossed arcs as you illustrate.

Once you have observed as much as possible... then you can enter the hallway left and right at the same time...
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I meant that blue's field of fire goes across red, the person, not red's field of fire. Letting your gun aim at your partner is not a good idea :P
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Old May 8th, 2007, 15:16   #8
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Width of the corridor is a factor...

Idealy you want to pie both corners as you approach them... if the corridor is wide enough... you can do that on the same side as you are..

If it is narrow as illustrated , you can do the crossed arcs as you illustrate.

Once you have observed as much as possible... then you can enter the hallway left and right at the same time...
So you are saying that if the corrodor is narrower than the one illustrated then only the first man can pie the corners right? I guess I have to do another situation where you are coming from a room through a door into a hallway.

But otherwise, is the second option that I presented a sound tactic?
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So you are saying that if the corrodor is narrower than the one illustrated then only the first man can pie the corners right? I guess I have to do another situation where you are coming from a room through a door into a hallway.

But otherwise, is the second option that I presented a sound tactic?
No, both corners need to be done at the same time, if the hall was wider then you would not need to do the crossed arc of fire , Each man could pie and pass his own corner. although for ease of action you may want to keep the same action regardless of the width of the hallway.

The T is a tough obstical for this reason... as there are 3 potential engagement directions 9 , 3 and 6 o'clock... and in order to cross it "safely" you must co-ordinate actions so that no one is exposed to fire without being able to return fire.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 17:33   #10
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So for a two man team it depends on the size of the hallway if you use a crossed arc of fire? Which would be the most correct way for a two man team to move through a hallway that is 8 feet wide?

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I'd say the first frame. That way, if the team has to pass doors, they can cover them. But a 2 man team also have to wach it's back!
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So for a two man team it depends on the size of the hallway if you use a crossed arc of fire? Which would be the most correct way for a two man team to move through a hallway that is 8 feet wide?

the first one if they are unconcerned about the rear... the last one if they are..

It is difficult to maintain rear security with a 2 person team...180 degrees of arc is a wide responsibility, this is why the 4 person team is vastly superior ....
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Old May 8th, 2007, 21:36   #13
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Old May 8th, 2007, 22:20   #14
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Thanks for all the replies so far guys! Your comments have been a big help

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