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Old April 12th, 2007, 12:21   #16
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He's using a CNC and has coded the machine apparently. But he won't go production
From the little I know about CNC you usually need to CAD the part first. Well if he's willing to give/sell you the part file(s) you could have it CNC'd yourself at around 100$/hr at a machine shop.

Or send the file to me and/or Andrew and see if we can get drawings from it and if he could machine it himself.
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This is a great question!

I know that AR15 (restricted on completed) lowers that are 60%-80% finished can be purchased without and PAL or RPAL as they have no serial and are not "technically" controlled in that state. Nor do they require a transfer.

The bottom line is does this type of manufacturing require him to be licensed at some level of government?

I would think yes, he needs to get licensed. DO I think he could do a couple on the side and not catch crap? Yes. But depending on how cheap these are he may WANT to get licensed. There is a pretty large demand for these due to the lower issues 180s suffer..

It makes one wonder at what state he could machine it to (say 95%) before it is considered a firearm and he needs to be licensed?
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Old April 12th, 2007, 12:24   #18
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From the little I know about CNC you usually need to CAD the part first.

Or send the file to me and/or Andrew and see if we can get drawings from it and if he could machine it himself.
I know a professional CAD designer and Engineer that does side work...


AM I ON CGN OR ASC?????
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Old April 12th, 2007, 12:52   #19
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Hey Ibby;

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets...replicas_e.asp

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A business without a license may manufacture replica firearms only if it has a specific contract to supply a business that has a license to possess replica firearms for the entertainment industry.

Okay, so you can make WHOLE guns and sell it to ASCA since they have the permit to acquire these devices.
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Old April 20th, 2007, 12:01   #20
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If your asking to machine a Ar-180b lower its going to cost you alot of cash The fellow you speak of makeing the lower is my good friend its costing him alot of cash to get where he is and its not 1/4 done
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If your asking to machine a Ar-180b lower its going to cost you alot of cash The fellow you speak of makeing the lower is my good friend its costing him alot of cash to get where he is and its not 1/4 done
Yup, I realise that. He's a lucky bastard with mad skills, and has helped me out many MANY times with Bravo issues.
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what if it model after his?
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Yup, I realise that. He's a lucky bastard with mad skills, and has helped me out many MANY times with Bravo issues.
I am also doing my lower like his to. All I have is the mag cut out I cant find time to get it done my machine shop I go to is allways busy
Do you have a 180b?
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Old April 20th, 2007, 18:12   #23
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Did no one else see the little loop-hole to importing replica guns in Canada? Or was it just me and Drach?

After all I am sure we can produce better quality than Chinasoft stuff
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From the little I know about CNC you usually need to CAD the part first. Well if he's willing to give/sell you the part file(s) you could have it CNC'd yourself at around 100$/hr at a machine shop.

You can program cnc by hand using MS word. You just have to know what your doing. Althow once you begin working with 5 axes and more it get's confusing real fast so your better to CAD it.

If the AR180b receiver is anything like the standart ar-15 receiver it a rather simple part to do. Just time consuming for all the little external details. If I recall correctly it was quoted for about 18 hours per receiver on conventionnal machining by my shop's panner..(he's pretty good on estimate, I was just curious what he would quote on it so I brought him a cad file of the ar-15 lower...no I won't make any even if I could get them done in 37.89 minutes in the millturn 7 axes cnc).

Before manking any parts either for airsoft or real gun always better to check before you start cutting.

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I am also doing my lower like his to. All I have is the mag cut out I cant find time to get it done my machine shop I go to is allways busy
Lol... the dreaded curse of the machinist... so many projects so little time....

p.s. fake supressors (aka training supressor) are legal in canada btw... yes i talking for real guns.
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p.s. fake supressors (aka training supressor) are legal in canada btw... yes i talking for real guns.
My address is....
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Old April 20th, 2007, 21:54   #26
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p.s. fake supressors (aka training supressor) are legal in canada btw... yes i talking for real guns.
So I take it making fake supressors for fake guns shouldn't be illegal then either?

Or is just production fake supressors for real steal are legal?
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So I take it making fake supressors for fake guns shouldn't be illegal then either?

Or is just production fake supressors for real steal are legal?
well for a real ar lower receiver is considered : manufaturing of a restricted item.( restricted firearm)

and for a airsoft lower receiver it looks like: manufaturing of a prohibited item ( replica firearm....)

welcome to the very fine kanadian gun laws.... But my guess is that if the supressor is manufactured as a solid piece that in no way can be made to silence the gun it would be ok ( basicaly a training supressor is just a piece of machined aluminium that has the same lenght and weight than a real supressor). But don't quote me on this. also it depends if your make yourself one or manufacturing 12 for resale
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