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Old March 3rd, 2007, 19:02   #166
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True, its not their responsibility, but it is somebody's responsibility. There needs to be a place to obtain this information. We've all heard the old "ignorance of the law is no excuse", but in this case where does one find these things out. If they end up changing their playbood, then so be it. Until that happens, I'm pestering my MP to get this information. It's preposterous that we can't get something in writing.

Example, I get busted selling an AEG firing at 450 fps. I get charged because it is deemed to be a replica and transferring of a replica is illegal. My arguement is that I am ignorant to the law. I have sent several letters to the Chief Scientist of the RCMP requesting classification of this exact AEG. The Chief Scientist is the person everybody keeps referring me to. So in my defence (just playing devil's advocate), how the hell am I supposed to know if it is legal or not? I am making every attempt not to knowingly break the law.
Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense... it may buy you some slack in sentencing... but it is not a defense.

The whole 407 fps thing is a non starter..

if airsoft guns fire at a velocity sufficient to bring them under the classification of a firearm... then all the rules of firearms must apply.

including requiring a PAL to buy .. and possess.. as well as restrictions on selective fire weapons... ( semi auto only ) and restrictions on magazine capacity ( 5 rounds only )

If you have a airsoft gun that fires over 500 fps and fires full auto and you have highcap magazines.. and a silencer for the thing.... well you have just Broken pretty much every law in the book ....

You can't pick and choose which statutes of the law will apply... the entire law applies...

How can you import an object as a firearm... and sell it as something else.. we are in the same pickle as now...

You can't import a prohibited device ( replica ) and sell it as something else..
Which is exactly what importers have been doing...Hedging on the fuzzyness of the definition of airsoft guns as falling between toys and replicas... well that fuzzyness is gone...

Airsoft guns are replica firearms FULL STOP there is not a loophole... there is not an escape.. the guys who have done a lot of research .. and based a business on that research know this to be true and in the new enforcment environment ... what did they do?

They shut the doors...

If you read the law... you will very shortly see... its effective .. and if enforced will stop the trade in replicas.. ( including airsoft guns ) utterly
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 19:19   #167
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Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense... it may buy you some slack in sentencing... but it is not a defense.

The whole 407 fps thing is a non starter..

if airsoft guns fire at a velocity sufficient to bring them under the classification of a firearm... then all the rules of firearms must apply.

including requiring a PAL to buy .. and possess.. as well as restrictions on selective fire weapons... ( semi auto only ) and restrictions on magazine capacity ( 5 rounds only )
If they're over 407, but under 500, they are exempt from what you describe due to

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

( d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge

(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or

(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.

Those sections describe possession, transfer, transport, and importation. Therefore, ok to possess, import, buy, sell, and transport, no PAL required. Not to mention that the Firearms Act doesn't apply (eg restrictions on selective fire, etc.)

So yes, they are firearms, and their laws apply, but let's not ignore the exemptions that apply due to their muzzle velocity being under 500 fps.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 20:49   #168
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Somehow I get the distinct impression that what we need is for an airsoft gun to be defined AS an airsoft gun under law. Not as a replica. Not as an imitation firearm. Not as a firearm. An airsoft gun.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 21:17   #169
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Somehow I get the distinct impression that what we need is for an airsoft gun to be defined AS an airsoft gun under law. Not as a replica. Not as an imitation firearm. Not as a firearm. An airsoft gun.
That would be the best option, but it's 99.9% guarenteed not to happen.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 22:19   #170
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That would be the best option, but it's 99.9% guarenteed not to happen.
Not with that attitude.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 22:22   #171
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Not with that attitude.
It's not a matter of attitude, it's the truth. Just changing something of this magnitude requires quite a bit of political support. If the public were to get a hold of it, it would be political suicide for an MP in this province. Not impossible, but just not probable. But I'm willing to hear your plans on how to do it. Adding airsoft to the CCC and/or Firearms act would be ideal.
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Philosophically speaking, it is a matter of attitude. A stagnating, defeatist attitude is going to do our sport no favours.

Realistically speaking, I'm not the person to come up with the plan. There are those better suited to that (I.e: Greylocks, Hojo, Lawdog, lots of the Wolfpack boys). I'm just saying that this is the objective we should be aiming for.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 01:37   #173
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Omg lies! Zeon.... you better sleep with one eye open ;p

MUST FIND MORE SIG BANNERS!!!!
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MUST FIND MORE SIG BANNERS!!!!
Must remove more sig banners!!!!
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By the looks of this thread and a couple others on this forum, people seem to be becoming terrified to come to games lately. Threads like this will be the demise of "legitimate" airsoft, long before the gov't ever gets around to it. Between the fearmongers and forum "law professors", everybody thinks the sky is falling every other day. "Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.."
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Old March 5th, 2007, 21:22   #176
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i found that very hard since i am looking to buy an airsoft gun in that area from a store

WHERE CAN I BUY AN AIRSOFT GUN (ICS M4A1) WITHIN ONTARIO>??..... i am not intereseted in ordering over the internet..... if anyone knows a store or warehouse where i can go please post a comment. I AM SURE THAT ORDERING IS NOT MY ONLY OPTIONS SO PLEASE HELP ME.


if you guys now any stores that werent "seized" please tell me
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Old March 5th, 2007, 21:30   #177
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I feel stupid having even bother to comment on this moron above me. please delete this when you delete his.
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Old March 5th, 2007, 22:27   #178
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are there anymore stores like these that werent seized?
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Old March 5th, 2007, 22:47   #179
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are there anymore stores like these that werent seized?
you surely are an idiot, and both haven't read any of the f.a.q.'s or even looked into the other members of this board that have already replied

go away from airsoft
because i'm sure the community doesn't need another ignorant idiot with a gun
we've got enough of those already

go play paintball
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I have to burst your bubble bud, there is no walk in stores that sell airsoft guns, never going to happen, but, niether is there any warehouses.
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