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Old January 15th, 2007, 02:44   #31
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That doesn't sound good so far...
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that phrase however is too ambiguous to say that it will absolutely be interpreted as negative. war as entertainment occurs in all forms of media; books, movies, news...

there have been criticisms of brian for not consulting the community before talking to reporters, but that request is nearly impossible. there is no general consensus about anything on this board. furthermore, the fear that airsoft will be interpreted in a negative way may come true if the community only focuses on controlling the negative aspects (reckless use, illegal importation). we have to accept that we should give reporters a chance to somewhat positive or neutral airsoft information, as we cannot shape what the news itself reports. of course i do not advocate that every airsofter to reach out to the media, talking on tv/ before a camera is a very difficult task and also unpredictable in terms of later editing, and should be reserved for those who are more articulate and mindful of sensitive words and expressions. that action will dampen the negative effects of whatever neg. themes an article may have.

Initial response from the report on this forum is that it is fairly neutral in that others may interpret this either way. i caution members that those individuals that "have it in" for airsoft will use this report in whatever ways that fit their thinking or dismiss it altogether. we cant change that, but it helps that for those who do not know what airsoft is, they may see it as not a danger to the public. a lack of information has never brought positive results for concerned parties, good info is what we need going out there and perhaps a proactive approach is required.

for members still scared of this report, dont worry there is a silver lining; at least is wasn't in the first 7 mins of the broadcast.:wink:
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Old January 15th, 2007, 02:50   #32
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I've got some ..... for sale. I'm all outta !!!!!! once these last six are gone.
Look this post is not even edited! I have not said a word that defamitory to the great savior of Airsoft In Toronto. Every noob needs a champion. I'm Glad that guys like FRANK and Crazy Choda have a role model. I think it good for the sport to get a little national Publicity now and again from the same source, give the hobby a certain consistancy.
You know at this time of night my mind wanders a little and I recall hearing a story from one of my customers.....
A couple decades ago some asshole shoot up a bunch of people with a Mini 14. Well the news media went to the local gun stores and asked why people bought these Mini 14's and every one said they were a great sporting rifle, for a lttle hunting and target shooting. Except for Nick, the lights and camera went on in his shop and he grinned and looked at the camera and said in his rough, accented voice " Naw, the rifle is a real Man Killer you know!" And that's the quote that played on the news at six and eleven for a few days. That may be a load of crap but thats the story I heard. What do I know, Dude, I sell Pants. But ... Geee whizzz, I'd really like to get a Ruger Mini 14, does anyone know what ever happened to them in Canada?
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Old January 15th, 2007, 08:14   #33
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actually, after all that, the mini14 is still legal and non-restricted in Canada.
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Shant ever step foot into FAC myself now, as I fear that a news crew shows up and wants to put me on National Television saying that I want to "Understand violence, pick it apart, and study it."

Because that was the biggest bullshit statement ever. You play airsoft to get an adrenaline rush of having fun. Its no different from Paintball in that aspect, and only just pushes realism a little further.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:32   #35
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A general question. Would Global need permission (written) from everybody there (or at least on the video) to air this? Did they have it? Did anybody object?

Also, when did the taping of this happen? I guess anybody who was there would be able to answer these questions.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:47   #36
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Grey, could you provide a link to this post? I imagine I speak for others when I say that I dont recall this exactly? Like was this a post made in the game thread, or something like a general announcement to the community at large?
Was this not part of the various discussions, and the advertisement, about his event? I dont know if the posts are still there. Sorry.

We could ask Brian?
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Old January 15th, 2007, 11:51   #37
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But ... Geee whizzz, I'd really like to get a Ruger Mini 14, does anyone know what ever happened to them in Canada?
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LeBaron? Good gun shops? You can get the Mini-14 in .223 or the Mini-30 in 7.62x39mm (also called the Ranch Rifle, I think).

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Old January 15th, 2007, 12:02   #38
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A general question. Would Global need permission (written) from everybody there (or at least on the video) to air this? Did they have it? Did anybody object?

Also, when did the taping of this happen? I guess anybody who was there would be able to answer these questions.
No, unless someone objected, in which case their face would be blurred. Generally, the press does not need legal media releases.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 12:15   #39
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This is true, but technically TTAC3 is a private club only open to members (with $20 buying you a membership pass for the day). So although Brian may have agreed to the situation with Global, I would hope that all the individual members would have agreed. Thankfully nobody was filmed who didn't want to be filmed, but it's kind of crappy to be a member and have to sit out for this photo op.

On the plus side, I'm glad that Global didn't focus on the guns themself. That would have been more alarming than the actual play. It really didn't look like anything other than paintball to the untrained eye. I'm sure any ETF guys seeing the video might have a chuckle as well. Overall, didn't seem too threatening.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:11   #40
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Listen All you people who mention the dollar signs in Brians eyes are just wrong. So what if a guy who offers up a space for people to come and enjoy themselves and hang out with like minded people charges a few bucks to pay for things like gas, BB's, hydro and not to mention rent. This is no diffrent than a place like SGT Splatters. The diffrence is that no one else on this forum has done it and we have to HOST games at paint ball fields. You can sit there and feel all high and mighty cuz you don't personaly charge people, but the fact of the matter is that we all have to pay some body in order to play on thier field. It's not like Brian is getting rich off of this! I've been there to play and I've hung around to chat. The people are friendly and the enviornment is cool.
Now... Brian has said on ocasion that he would not keep the media out if the inquired. He has been completely forth coming with all of his doings involved with this sport but He and no one else needs to ask permision from anyone on this forum to conduct his business the way he see's fit. Brian is in constant contact with the RCMP and many municipalities in Toronto and at the field we play on out doors. The surrounding neighbours are always kept up to date as to what's going on when and where we play. I have NEVER seen or heard Brian cut any one down for the things they say or do unless first provoked. As a matter of fact Brian has help many of the individuals that have played on his field in their personal lives, professional lives either through advice, lending an ear, tracking down information and on the occasion lending money. Airsoft will always be played in this country it doesn't matter what is said or done we will find a way. Maybe, one day it will be as popular as paintball and we'll all have more people to play with and more events to attend. So so what if there was a news spot it will all be forgotten one day.

He's actually a very smart guy and likable. My two cents
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:13   #41
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:13   #42
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Well said Shane (manaconda).
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:26   #43
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This is true, but technically TTAC3 is a private club only open to members (with $20 buying you a membership pass for the day). So although Brian may have agreed to the situation with Global, I would hope that all the individual members would have agreed. Thankfully nobody was filmed who didn't want to be filmed, but it's kind of crappy to be a member and have to sit out for this photo op.

On the plus side, I'm glad that Global didn't focus on the guns themself. That would have been more alarming than the actual play. It really didn't look like anything other than paintball to the untrained eye. I'm sure any ETF guys seeing the video might have a chuckle as well. Overall, didn't seem too threatening.

Then you get mothers going, "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?" Because they see the 13 yr old down the street with a crappy-tire crossman armory!

Then this seems a CRAP load more threatening.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:27   #44
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I was there for the filming and Brian asked everyone there if they had a problem with the filming they were free to stand aside. The filming wasn't that long either, most of the time was spent on the interviews.

I don't have a deep understanding of airsoft politics or law, but personally I enjoyed the piece.

My only problem with the piece was I wish they had made it more clear that they are not real guns, but overall I felt it was a positive new report.

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A general question. Would Global need permission (written) from everybody there (or at least on the video) to air this? Did they have it? Did anybody object?

Also, when did the taping of this happen? I guess anybody who was there would be able to answer these questions.
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Old January 15th, 2007, 13:35   #45
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my only comment on this

I won't partiicpate in a debate. it has been done..

1. Airsoft is not mentioned in this piece, not once, there is no indication what so ever that the simulators that were used are "airsoft guns" only those familliar with them would recognize them as such.

2. Everyone that was there was asked if they wanted to participate, those that did not.. ( and there was a couple who did not wish to appear on camera ) were not shown on camera. Other than that.. everyone else was excited about the opportunity to "show their stuff".

3. This is not a "airsoft piece" This is a piece about the fighting arts collective, and our programs and approach to the study of martial arts including the use of firearms. Just because we happen to use airsoft guns does not make this a statement about anyone else that also happens to use airsoft guns.


The reporter who did this was interested in the Fighting arts Collective, in general, and our approach to including fireams in training specifically. I think he did a good job of presenting a balanced view and was successful in delivering the message that we hoped he would.

I already am fully aware of what some individuals may think of this... this has been made abundantly clear in the past and I feel no need to rehash it.

It is the people who choose to participate in our events and training that I concern myself with.
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