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Old January 5th, 2007, 21:54   #1
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Riot Shield rules

Whats the officials rules if someone use a Riot Shield on the field?
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Old January 5th, 2007, 23:09   #2
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lol @ shield

I think that depends on the organizer's rule. Since airsoft is based on realism, you probably need to carry only a pistol if you use a shield. However, I have yet to see anyone use a riot shield in games or in after action pictures.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 00:38   #3
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I know ETF and Bad Karma uses them in our indoor games. Like what thephenom said. It's up to the organziers to set the rules. We use them to hide behind and there's no rules to what the carrier has to use for his gun but usually he carries his pistol drawn.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 00:45   #4
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lol, I was wondering how I would implement a riot shield rule into a game just last week, so good question.

I think if you were using a real one (Surplus or new..cost about $150 aprox.) you could probably base the rule off the balistic rating that shield has. Limiting the holder of the shield to a pistol would be ok, or a smg of some sort (Mac 10/11, Uzi, MP5K, P-90, MP7A1). Considering the person who holds the shield is basically providing portable cover for the section following them it would prove very interesting in how it would work. Any other hosts have suggestions?
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Old January 6th, 2007, 00:52   #5
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If I was responsible for implementing shield rules for a milsim/copsim game that I were organizing, I would probably do it this way:

1) any type of gun may be used with the shield, as a shotgun or rifle would most definately be more difficult when holding a shield in the other hand, thus negating any advantage gained by using a multiple shot/longer range weapon.

2) shield must be made of a material and thickness capable of being penetrated, but not with too high probability. [for example: 4 layers of cardboard glued together] since in the real world, ballistic shields are not bullet 'proof' but bullet 'resistant'.

and that's pretty much it.

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Old January 6th, 2007, 03:04   #6
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As a host, I would allow them, it'd add an interesting dynamic to the game.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 03:07   #7
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Just make the shield's size its disadvantage.
Here are some pics from the LZ's public days.






The nice thing with that shield was its size and shape. Your limited your advantage of protection by having to protect your feet. Being small and wide limited its mobility and forces the users to be in uncomfortable shooting positions. You had some protection, but one slip-up and your exposed and dead, making it more fair then a 7 foot wall...

the cardboard idea is nice, but most real riot shields will take a shitload of punishment. And who wants to replace the sides over and over.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 17:49   #8
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If I had to make rules for Riot shields they would be... depending on the type of shield.

If it is a Full shield, and not the GSG9 small shield, the rule would be that it cannot be modified to be able to stand up on its own, thus creating a "movable wall" allowing the user to use any weapon.

If it is a smaller shield, the user has to use a Pistol, or a small SMG (UZI/MAC/MP7/MP5K/NOT UMP) on single fire mode, (because in all realism, in real life, you cant fire a submachine gun on full auto in one hand with any hopes of hitting anything).

Last rule, no blindfiring, makes it harder and gives other players more opertunity to hit you.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 20:27   #9
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No blindfiring period. in any situation... fking n00bs (not at you Combine)
Just latey got some bleeders that could been very easly avoided...
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Old January 6th, 2007, 21:20   #10
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Well, if theres a glass panel or bullet proof glass, you can look through it right? If not, why not just grab a piece of sheet metal and weld a handle onto it and paint it black...
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Old January 6th, 2007, 21:43   #11
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Depending on the type of riot shield you get a clear bullet resistent material or you get metal/other hybrid with a clear window. As Droc pointed out there are advantages/disadvantages to a shield. and yup, who wants to keep replacing the cardboard on a homemade one? You'd want to go for the leet look of a real one, since something like this would be used in a milsim enviroment anyways.

I remember Koopa using a peice of wood one time at FR as a shield and he was able to move up, but shooting was limited. but damn fun to watch.
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Old January 6th, 2007, 21:48   #12
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what would the optimal size be?? lenght and width...
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Old January 6th, 2007, 22:20   #13
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what would the optimal size be?? lenght and width...
http://www.tote.com.au/riot.htm
http://www.police-equipment-worldwid...t-shields.html

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sizes and shapes are also listed. these are examples, there are more types, but your more likely to find one of these styles (if not brands) fairly easy.

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Riot shields are lightweight protection devices deployed by police and some military organizations. Most are a clear polycarbonate, though some are constructed of light metals with a view hole. Riot shields are almost exclusively long enough to cover an average sized man from the top of the head to the knees. Some riot shields are designed to be bullet-resistant against low velocity handguns and shotgun pellets, but most are not. They are generally intended to be used in hand to hand fighting and to protect the user from shrapnel, thrown projectiles, and splash from various weapons such as a molotov cocktail.

Riot shields are used in almost every country with a standardized police force and are produced by many companies. Many riot shields are constructed from clear transparent high impact plastic to enable the bearer to see incoming thrown objects, so that the shield can quickly be positioned to deflect them away from the user's body.

Riot shields can also come in various shapes. They often to have two large handles: the user puts his left arm through the left handle and holds the right handle. Some shapes include:

* Round. A common size is 2 feet diameter.
* Rectangular with rounded corners, curved in the horizontal cross-section to shed thrown objects. A common size is 20 or 24 inches by 3 feet.
* The same, but also curved in the vertical cross-section at the top and bottom.
* A full length shield, rectangular in shape but tall enough for the botom to be place on the ground. The Right hand holds an handle at the top while the left hand holds a lower handle. The top of the shield is curved forward.
* There is a type of shield which is curved horizontally the "wrong" way, i.e. concave forwards. These are for handling an uncooperative prisoner or suspect in a cell or small room.
* Some shields are "ballistic", i.e. strong enough to resist firearms fire.

Riot shields are commonly used for protection from thrown objects or blunt/edged weapons, and not firearms. Ballistic shields are commonly known by the brand name, "Body Bunker®", or "Baker Batshield®".

The extremely lightweight "Baker Batshield®" ballistic shield is popular for police patrol first responders utilizing progressive "Immediate Action Rapid Deployment" (IARD) tactics when approaching high powered handgun, shotgun or sub-machinegun threats. This portable, flexible, multi-sectioned ballistic shield enables the officer to fire a weapon with two hands as the shield is being simulaneously positioned in front of the bearer.

"Body Bunker®", ballistic shields are opaque with a small clear armored sight window and commonly have a bright light mounted on the frontal surface. Bunker shields are not normally used by riot Police but more often tactical SWAT teams as they are bulky, heavy and designed to be used during slow, methodical operations where there is an elevated risk of firearms being used against the officers.
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Old January 8th, 2007, 16:02   #14
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I have used the shield often.
We simply state that it can be used to breech one room, then it must be discarded.

Simply, and then the operators can use whatever they want for a weapon, shield etc.
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Old January 8th, 2007, 16:36   #15
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Shields...

We have used them a couple of times at TTAC3..
They do add a twist to room breaching situations.

The key .. in my opinion is to keep them realistic.. Real bullet resistant shields are heavy.. and not easily managed without training.

Any shield should be constructed so as to have the attributes of a real one.

I think that having replaceable panels that are "resistant" to bbs but can be penetrated with follow up shots to the same area are important.

If you create something that behaves like a real sheild .. you have no need to surround it with rules.

Rules are for games.... and rules will be gamed...

Make the object behave as it should and the rules of reality will prevail.
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