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Old December 17th, 2006, 22:39   #16
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I live in Toronto (midtown). I takes me almost 2.5 hours to get there.. It's kinda hard when you work, and go to school. I'll try calling him up tomorrow or something.
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Old December 17th, 2006, 22:47   #17
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No, I'm giving him enough time to see my email (the second one), and reply. If he does not in the alloted time, I guess I'll leave it to the police.

Thanks for the number Atreyu.
Extending people "time" to get things together, or respond, or pay is equal to you extending someone credit. As soon as you do that, your screwed, as far as being able to use legal means to collect. Don't even give this guy a chance to respond to your e-mail (not a legal form of contact anyway). Hit him with police action immediately, as long as it takes you to dial the phone number.

And remember "Caveat Emptor". It means buyer beware.
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Old December 17th, 2006, 22:48   #18
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I forgot to mention, I was there 2 weeks ago no Aug in sight. Actually no airsoft guns in his shop at all. I think he dosen't want to be involved in selling airsoft due to it's grayness.
Jeff is kind of a wing nut, but I'm sure he will compensate you. He's a shister to deal with because he wants the deal in his favor, but I dont think he's a thief.
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Old December 17th, 2006, 22:54   #19
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I'll call him tomorrow. He better smarten up.

Apparently he's been involved in some really shifty operations...
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Old December 18th, 2006, 13:16   #20
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KOS your PB markers are gone, your stuck with a bad AUG.
Had you gone back Immediatly you stood a chance. Hero made a deal with a minor so its not binding all you need now is a cop who gives a shit. Your in luck Durham is a small town. Don't call him, don't go down, read line one again.
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I wouldn't buy a stick of gum from those asshats. Always have been rip off artists with no ethics and always will be.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 14:35   #22
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I wouldn't buy a stick of gum from those asshats. Always have been rip off artists with no ethics and always will be.



heh heh heh... that just reminds me of a surplus store here in town that when I went in looking for gear and he figured out that I was an airsofter; he decided to go into the details of how "illegal" airsoft was and all this stuff. Sat there listening and just waited for him to end. My response was that I'd checked with members of my family who are in the RCMP first before even looking here. But my favorite was when he told me that the green gas that the pistol use is illegal in canada. ^.^ Told him he'd better turn in his propane BBQ. Have never gone back there since, damn paintball stores.


Anyway back on topic, I'd try getting some sort of official party involved, if you don't go way of police then atleast find a family member or friend thats a lawyer or pay to get one. Police is probably your best route in this case really, and don't give him the time to just prove that he's an asshat, you've already got a few responses here that paint him a pretty slimy green colour.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 15:12   #23
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Extending people "time" to get things together, or respond, or pay is equal to you extending someone credit. As soon as you do that, your screwed, as far as being able to use legal means to collect.
Actually this advise is dead wrong. Both the police and the civil courts will view your concern with more credibility if you give the other party a reasonable time to pay/rectify before trotting off to complain to the courts. It makes you look reasonable and it makes your opposition look like they are dishonest but not replying.

Just be careful not to miss the civil limitation period which in ontario is two years.

Also be cautious where you get your legal advice.

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Old December 18th, 2006, 17:14   #24
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Actually this advise is dead wrong. Both the police and the civil courts will view your concern with more credibility if you give the other party a reasonable time to pay/rectify before trotting off to complain to the courts.
That's what I thought. I mean he could just say he "was busy, and could not find time to read emails". One week should be good?

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Cautious, in regards to who I get it from? or...?

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KOS your PB markers are gone, your stuck with a bad AUG.
That's fine. I don't care if I'm stuck with it, as I could make some money back from it. The body looked like it was in tip-top shape, and someone may find use for the scope.. I just don't want to be at a complete loss.

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Old December 18th, 2006, 17:30   #25
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Cautious, in regards to who I get it from? or...?
In that a previous poster (Mcguyver) gave his opinion on your legal rights in these fact circumstances and was dead wrong.

By giving you the Aug he warrented that it was fit for the purpose for which it was intended. If he did not know that the Aug was screwed up, than he was negligent and breeched the implied warrenty.

If he knew the Aug was pooched when he gave it to you his conduct could be classified as fraudulent.

On the facts you have given me I would say you should pursue the matter vigorously.

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Old December 18th, 2006, 17:40   #26
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Your story is curious. Did you ever find out what the source of the AUG was? Where did it come from, who upgraded it, etc?

I recently dealt with an ASC user with a very similar story to yours. I don't know who the store was that he dealt with, but this is as far as I know:

This user sold (traded?) his fully tuned paintball markers and bought (traded?) a Steyr AUG from some surplus shop (again, I don't know the store.) He was told that it was fully upgraded with a Systema FTK and shot 400fps.

Upon taking it home, he discovered that it wasn't shooting right, and the gearbox sounded excessively loud.

He brought the AUG to me to have a look at it. The gearbox sounded *okay*, but nothing too excessive. It just sounded almost like how a high velocity gun would sound, if not a bit whiny. I figured a motor height adjustment would sort that issue out. I started looking at the feeding issue with the inner barrel. I took out the barrel and looked inside. Right away, I noticed that the hop up rubber's lip was warped completely out of shape and blocking the exit, preventing ANY BB from passing through. It was a jamming point.

So a note was made to replace the hop up rubber and I moved on to the gearbox.

I took the gearbox out to look at the motor height and right away, I noticed a tiny metal disc attached to the motor magnets. I didn't recognize the disc, so I just put it aside. It looked chewed up though. I turned the gearbox over in my hands and noticed that it had bearings installed... or what was left of them. 3 of the 6 bearings were blown to shit, with the spur gear barely hanging on. I'm surprised that the gearbox was still able to cycle, but that was the cause of the excessively loud noise. After checking the spring, I figured that was the cause of the blowing bearings, as it clocked in at almost 390fps. 6mm bearings are meant for no more than 350fps setups. Thankfully, the teeth on the gears weren't totally borked from the blown bearings no longer supporting the gears and were easily salvaged. And luckily, none of the ball bearings had gotten between the gear teeth and caused any major damage.

On further inspection in to the gearbox, I noticed not even ONE shim was used against the gears. No wonder the bearings blew!

Anyways, I replaced the bearings, degreased and regreased the whole gearbox, properly shimmed the gears, replaced the hop up rubber, readjusted motor height and the gun was firing like a dream again.

He got the gun at a decent price, but it was a perfect example of why I would never recommend a newbie to buy a second hand gun, unless they have someone experienced with them to look over the details. A new user unfamiliar with how a proper gun should sound and/or operate may end up continuing to firing a non-functional gun, hoping to figure out what's wrong, and in the end, cause more damage through excessive operation of malfunctioning internals.

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Old December 18th, 2006, 17:59   #27
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Your story is curious. Did you ever find out what the source of the AUG was? Where did it come from, who upgraded it, etc?

I recently dealt with an ASC user with a very similar story to yours. I don't know who the store was that he dealt with, but this is as far as I know:

This user sold (traded?) his fully tuned paintball markers and bought (traded?) a Steyr AUG from some surplus shop (again, I don't know the store.) He was told that it was fully upgraded with a Systema FTK and shot 400fps.

Upon taking it home, he discovered that it wasn't shooting right, and the gearbox sounded excessively loud.

He brought the AUG to me to have a look at it. The gearbox sounded *okay*, but nothing too excessive. It just sounded almost like how a high velocity gun would sound, if not a bit whiny. I figured a motor height adjustment would sort that issue out. I started looking at the feeding issue with the inner barrel. I took out the barrel and looked inside. Right away, I noticed that the hop up rubber's lip was warped completely out of shape and blocking the exit, preventing ANY BB from passing through. It was a jamming point.

So a note was made to replace the hop up rubber and I moved on to the gearbox.

I took the gearbox out to look at the motor height and right away, I noticed a tiny metal disc attached to the motor magnets. I didn't recognize the disc, so I just put it aside. It looked chewed up though. I turned the gearbox over in my hands and noticed that it had bearings installed... or what was left of them. 3 of the 6 bearings were blown to shit, with the spur gear barely hanging on. I'm surprised that the gearbox was still able to cycle, but that was the cause of the excessively loud noise. After checking the spring, I figured that was the cause of the blowing bearings, as it clocked in at almost 390fps. 6mm bearings are meant for no more than 350fps setups.

On further inspection in to the gearbox, I noticed not even ONE shim was used against the gears. No wonder the bearings blew!

Anyways, I replaced the bearings, degreased and regreased the whole gearbox, replaced the hop up rubber, readjusted motor height and the gun was firing like a dream again.

He got the gun at a decent price, but it was a perfect example of why I would never recommend a newbie to buy a second hand gun, unless they have someone experienced with them to look over the details.


Apparently he's been making offers to other people while I had the downpayment... Ugh.. Well according to scooby, the Aug was taken down. He may have sold it to someone else; However, that'd put him in more shit, seeing as I have a receipt stating the transaction info, condition of the gun, and his(jeff) name...
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Old December 28th, 2006, 17:27   #28
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Thanks to 666, and Barry!! I owe you guys a round!

Also met Zeonprime. Gotta love those unexpected run-ins.
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Old December 28th, 2006, 17:37   #29
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Thanks to 666, and Barry!! I owe you guys a round!

Also met Zeonprime. Gotta love those unexpected run-ins.

More detail please.
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Old December 28th, 2006, 17:37   #30
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