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Old September 30th, 2006, 02:43   #31
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I like the shell idea, but what about the portability? With shells you'll have to lug the spent shells or risk losing them. vs the self propelled round which only has to be found. have you come up with easily replaceable ordinance?
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Old September 30th, 2006, 02:46   #32
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nice work, good base idea. cant wait until the you guys present a final version of it
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Old September 30th, 2006, 03:00   #33
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I like the shell idea, but what about the portability? With shells you'll have to lug the spent shells or risk losing them. vs the self propelled round which only has to be found. have you come up with easily replaceable ordinance?
Well with the shell idea we had the idea of using it as a vehicle mounted weapon (see my Airsoft Tank thread), so it would be easy to keep track of spent shells... we're still thinking of ways to make a disposable "explosive" projectile. One Idea I had for either kind of round is using peanut packaging taped together and some sort of system the would spread it out on impact or in the air above the target... though I have no clue what kind of device I could use to safely detonate it on impact. A solid disposable projectile would be easy to make... just use something like Peanut packaging taped together or some other cheap, soft, and easy to find material with a sabot to launch it out of the barrel.

Another idea is to do something like a cap bomb in a Nerf ball so when it hits it makes that distinctive "Crack" of a cap exploding... that would leave it up to the players to determine weather or not they were "hit" but since we play by the honor rules already that may not be a problem.

In the end though that's the most difficult part: Making safe, disposable simulated explosive rounds. I'm open to more suggestions. Right now we're just figuring out new and interesting ways to send things flying downrange.
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Old September 30th, 2006, 03:23   #34
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There are mines that use floure and varrious other dusts, say you use a foam ball, you could hollow it out with and put in a plastic air sack surrounded by said powder so on impact the air is forced out carrying with it the powder. If I had a scanner I would post a picture of what I mean, but for now you'll have to use your imagination. Basically outer shell covered in small holes as outer layer, middle layer powder, center airsack.
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Old September 30th, 2006, 03:26   #35
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There are mines that use floure and varrious other dusts, say you use a foam ball, you could hollow it out with and put in a plastic air sack surrounded by said powder so on impact the air is forced out carrying with it the powder. If I had a scanner I would post a picture of what I mean, but for now you'll have to use your imagination. Basically outer shell covered in small holes as outer layer, middle layer powder, center airsack.
That's not a bad idea... not a bad idea at all. It's simple, cheap, and easy to make. I've suggested using powders like flower before but they keep getting shot down for various reasons... but definatly worth looking into. I'll pass this on to Grave see what he can cook up on the weekend (if anything)
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Old September 30th, 2006, 07:17   #36
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Geezuz Xrist people!
Just use fucking potato gun and some BBs wrapped in paper as the projectile
I can launch a 2" diameter potato about 100 meters at 45 degree angle. At 90 degree angle it goes high enough so i cant see it anymore. Stuff it with a couple handfulls of BBs in a sabbot and there you go. Simple and easy.
Oh, almost forgot, use hair spray for the propelant and BBQ igniter (spark) for the igniter. End can unsweres and recharges with hair spray. Dont try to over think things
Where's the fun in that?

Also, I'm sure your not the only person to think of that, and that the Idea has been dismissed for saftey reasons.
Urgh.... what safety reasons? Use it as a mortar firing a paper/plastic bag of BBs in a sabbot. It hits the trees and explodes in a huge ass shower of BBs. I'd rather be hit by that then a "self propeled" pointy round. And fun? it makes a loud fucking boom :cheers: . Had it echo for at least 3 blocks in the city.
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Old September 30th, 2006, 07:47   #37
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Geezuz Xrist people!
Just use fucking potato gun and some BBs wrapped in paper as the projectile
I can launch a 2" diameter potato about 100 meters at 45 degree angle. At 90 degree angle it goes high enough so i cant see it anymore. Stuff it with a couple handfulls of BBs in a sabbot and there you go. Simple and easy.
Oh, almost forgot, use hair spray for the propelant and BBQ igniter (spark) for the igniter. End can unsweres and recharges with hair spray. Dont try to over think things
Where's the fun in that?

Also, I'm sure your not the only person to think of that, and that the Idea has been dismissed for saftey reasons.
Urgh.... what safety reasons? Use it as a mortar firing a paper/plastic bag of BBs in a sabbot. It hits the trees and explodes in a huge ass shower of BBs. I'd rather be hit by that then a "self propeled" pointy round. And fun? it makes a loud fucking boom :cheers: . Had it echo for at least 3 blocks in the city.
If it were that simple, don't you think somone would have done it by now instead of having a 10 page forum thread about how to make Airsoft Artilery? (http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=12517)
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Old September 30th, 2006, 12:01   #38
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Geezuz Xrist people!
Just use fucking potato gun and some BBs wrapped in paper as the projectile
I can launch a 2" diameter potato about 100 meters at 45 degree angle. At 90 degree angle it goes high enough so i cant see it anymore. Stuff it with a couple handfulls of BBs in a sabbot and there you go. Simple and easy.
Oh, almost forgot, use hair spray for the propelant and BBQ igniter (spark) for the igniter. End can unsweres and recharges with hair spray. Dont try to over think things
Where's the fun in that?

Also, I'm sure your not the only person to think of that, and that the Idea has been dismissed for saftey reasons.
Urgh.... what safety reasons? Use it as a mortar firing a paper/plastic bag of BBs in a sabbot. It hits the trees and explodes in a huge ass shower of BBs. I'd rather be hit by that then a "self propeled" pointy round. And fun? it makes a loud fucking boom :cheers: . Had it echo for at least 3 blocks in the city.
If you haven't realized we got rid of the pointy self proppeled round idea... and the safty reasons talraii was reffering to would be the fact that its a plastic pipe with lots of wood holding it in place... now fire is a bad thing to add into this equation....... :smack:
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Old September 30th, 2006, 12:23   #39
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Make sure the nail you're using isn't too large. If the hole is too large instead of having the CO2 escape forwards, propelling your projectile, the CO2 cartridge might just explode. Just like any other pressurized container (a plane, a scuba tank) a small enough hole won't allow all the gas to escape at once, but if the hole is big enough, then all the gas attemps to escape causing explosive decompression.

In know the CO2 cart you're using isn't exactly huge, but if it were me, I'd hate to have to deal with an exploding piece of metal next to my head...
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Make sure the nail you're using isn't too large. If the hole is too large instead of having the CO2 escape forwards, propelling your projectile, the CO2 cartridge might just explode. Just like any other pressurized container (a plane, a scuba tank) a small enough hole won't allow all the gas to escape at once, but if the hole is big enough, then all the gas attemps to escape causing explosive decompression.
...I'll keep that in mind..... 8-O
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 03:16   #41
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If you haven't realized we got rid of the pointy self proppeled round idea... and the safty reasons talraii was reffering to would be the fact that its a plastic pipe with lots of wood holding it in place... now fire is a bad thing to add into this equation.......
Truely clueless. I was firing those things holding it in my hands, repeatedly. Even had a small "accident" when i thought it would be good idea to charge it with 2 seconds of hair spray, and look through the end cap hole while pressing the trigger. I'll buy a bag of BBs and will experiment with a BB loaded sabbot, probably this friday.
If someone hasnt done it, maybe it was because someone didnt think of it yet?
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 04:00   #42
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If you haven't realized we got rid of the pointy self proppeled round idea... and the safty reasons talraii was reffering to would be the fact that its a plastic pipe with lots of wood holding it in place... now fire is a bad thing to add into this equation.......
Truely clueless. I was firing those things holding it in my hands, repeatedly. Even had a small "accident" when i thought it would be good idea to charge it with 2 seconds of hair spray, and look through the end cap hole while pressing the trigger. I'll buy a bag of BBs and will experiment with a BB loaded sabbot, probably this friday.
If someone hasnt done it, maybe it was because someone didnt think of it yet?
Alright, it is at this point I'd like to request you keep the thread on topic and clean. I don't think you have the right to call my friend "clueless" for disagreeing with you. Post your idea on the other Airsoft Arty thread. You don't like our idea, post some constructive critism about why you don't think the design will work, or keep quiet. Do NOT post a completly different idea and tear ours down just on the principal that you like yours better. If you like your "potato gun" so much then post it in a new thread and see what kind of reply you get.

Feel free to point out design flaws in our design, but do so constructivly instead of stooping to insults and questioning our inteligence for not wanting to play wth explosive propellant.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 05:18   #43
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Safest rocket I've ever played with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_rocket

Prefab designs are available at many science stores which carry science related toys. Nice thing about them is that they lose most of their weight on the way up as they blast out their reaction ballast (water). No pyro either.

They still present a direct hazard if you shoot them directly towards a target. As an indirect fire projectile they're pretty safe because they're so light once the water is ejected.
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Safest rocket I've ever played with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_rocket

Prefab designs are available at many science stores which carry science related toys. Nice thing about them is that they lose most of their weight on the way up as they blast out their reaction ballast (water). No pyro either.

They still present a direct hazard if you shoot them directly towards a target. As an indirect fire projectile they're pretty safe because they're so light once the water is ejected.
From the wiki article:

"As water rockets are capable of breaking bones upon impact, they should never be fired at people or animals."
I know you said indirect fire but you gotta count in accidents

"Water rockets should only be launched in large open areas, away from structures or other people, in order to prevent damage to property and people."
Ours can in theory be used anywhere.

"A typical two-liter soda bottle can generally reach the pressure of 100 PSI safely, but preparations are made for the eventuality that the bottle ruptures."
No thank you, I'd rather not that explode in my face.

"While pressurizing and launching the rocket, bystanders are kept at a safe distance. Typically, mechanisms for releasing the rocket at a distance (with a piece of string, for example) are used. This ensures that if the rocket veers off in an unexpected direction, it is less likely to hit the operator or bystanders."
Again, ours can in theory be used in proximity to people without harm. A 12 gram Co2 cartridge exploding is bad, but it would be contained by the barrel for the most part. A 2 liter water rocket explodes...

On the other hand... that Aerial Photgraphy idea might come in handy as a recon device, especially if you can somehow get a remote feed off the camera.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 07:28   #45
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Airsoft mortar, safe version;

PVC tube, about 1 inch diameter and a meter long.
35 mm film container, empty, screwed to the top of a long spring that is just less than 1 inch diameter. (Imagine a piston concept)

Attach other end of spring to bottom cap of PVC tube.

Fill film can with BB.

Use a dowel to compress the canister to the bottom of the mortar tube, and a simple cotter pin to keep it all there.

Pull pin, spring pushes the container of BB up real fast, and stops because all is fixed except the ammo. BBs carry on at low velocity, creating a shower.

No gas, no explosives, no danger, and nothing gets lost except the BBs. Also dirt cheap to make AND re-useable.

No, this is not a new idea. I posted it in the forums before.
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